Hamza guilty of inciting murder

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Stella, Feb 7, 2006.

  1. Stella macrumors G3


    Apr 21, 2003
    Excellent decision

    Controversial Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri has been found guilty by an Old Bailey jury of using his sermons to incite murder and race hate charges.

    Abu Hamza, who preached at Finsbury Park mosque, London, was found guilty of 11 of the 15 charges he faced.

    The cleric, 47, was also found guilty of having audio and video tapes intended to encourage racial hatred and having a document for terror purposes.

    US authorities are seeking his extradition for terror-related matters.

    He is wanted on charges of trying to set up a "terrorist training camp" in the state of Oregon.

    Guilty of 6 charges of soliciting to murder
    Guilty of 3 charges related to "stirring up racial hatred"
    Guilty of 1 charge of owning recordings related to "stirring up racial hatred"
    Guilty of 1 charge of possessing "terrorist encyclopaedia"
    Not guilty of 3 charges of soliciting to murder
    Not guilty of 1 charge related to "stirring up racial hatred"

    Following the decision by the Old Bailey jury, Abu Hamza will be sentenced shortly.

    The Egyptian-born preacher, who was arrested in May 2004, was said to have given inflammatory sermons that used unequivocal language.

    Following his arrest, more than 3,000 audio cassettes and 600 videos were found of speeches intended for wider distribution.

    And a terror manual - an encyclopaedia of Afghani Jihad - found at his west London home listed Big Ben, the Eiffel Tower and the Statue of Liberty as possible targets for an attack.

    A search of Finsbury Park mosque, in north London, also led to the discovery of forged passports, CS gas, knives, guns capable of firing blanks and tents.

    Police tactics

    BBC Home Editor Mark Easton said police believed the mosque was "linked to literally dozens of terrorist plots around Europe and beyond".

    He pointed out that police confiscated the terror manual from Abu Hamza in 1999, before later returning it to him.

    Mr Easton went on: "The debate now will be about the tactics used by the police, by the security services and others to keep an eye on the mosque over many years, knowing that there certainly were links to Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kosovo and elsewhere."

    Jurors watched around 20 hours of video tapes of the cleric's sermons.

    The court heard him describe Jews as the "enemy of Islam", tell followers to "bleed" the enemies of Islam and they should not rest until they created a "Muslim state".

    The jury heard that he did not aim his vitriolic rhetoric only against Jews, unbelievers and the democratic West.

    Behaviour like Abu Hamza's is not a legitimate exercise in free speech - in fact it deliberately threatens openness and diversity
    Ken Macdonald QC
    Director of Public Prosecutions

    In Abu Hamza's numerous lectures and sermons, targets included homosexual vicars, the tourist industry, the royal family and women in bikinis.

    His defence was that he was encouraging Muslims to stand up for themselves.

    The prosecution had told the court that Abu Hamza was a recruiting sergeant for terrorism and murder.

    David Perry, prosecuting, said the cleric made clear encouragements to kill when he gave lectures and sermons at the Finsbury Park mosque and in Luton, Blackburn and Whitechapel, east London.

    The jury heard that Abu Hamza "was preaching terrorism, homicidal violence and hatred".

    They also heard that the preacher had "used the most dangerous weapons available - a great religion, Islam, his position as a civic leader and the power of words, his own words".

    Terrorist encyclopaedia
    Abu Hamza owned a terror encyclopaedia listing potential targets

    Director of Public Prosecutions Ken Macdonald QC said Abu Hamza had preached "a dangerous mix of hatred and violence" that "had nothing to do with the true teachings of Islam as it is practised peacefully and tolerantly by millions of people in Britain and around the world".

    He added: "Behaviour like Abu Hamza's is not a legitimate exercise in free speech. In fact it deliberately threatens openness and diversity.

    "Where appropriate, prosecutors will not hesitate to bring further cases in this category in future."

    Abu Hamza faced nine charges under the Offences Against the Person Act 1861, which alleged that he solicited others at public meetings to murder Jews and other non-Muslims.

    He faced four other charges under the Public Order Act 1986 of "using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with the intention of stirring up racial hatred".

    'Racial hatred'

    He was found guilty of six charges of soliciting to murder and three of stirring up racial hatred.

    But he was found not guilty of three charges of soliciting to murder and one charge related to "stirring up racial hatred".

    He was found guilty of a further charge of being in possession of video and audio recordings which he intended to distribute to stir up racial hatred.

    He was also found guilty of the final charge, under section 58 of the Terrorism Act, accused him of possessing the Encyclopaedia of the Afghani Jihad, which, it is claimed, contained information "of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism".

    Abu Hamza will remain at Belmarsh high security prison, where he has been held since his arrest.
  2. iGav macrumors G3

    Mar 9, 2002
    Good. He should be shot. Then his head stuck on a spike at the Tower of London.
  3. Ugg macrumors 68000


    Apr 7, 2003

    Those were the days :D

    I'm always amazed at how beheadings were such public spectacles back then. I guess things haven't changed much though as we get all our violence these days from TV and video games.

    It's good that he was found guilty, perhaps that will discourage a few from following in his footsteps. I think all of us in the west have a deeply seated fear of Muslim radicals transforming our secular western societies into ones run by sharia law.
  4. iGav macrumors G3

    Mar 9, 2002
    Indeedy. :D

    According to a presenter on BBC News 24, he can be considered for release in 18 months time, though he might have to serve the full 5 years :rolleyes: British justice 'eh... best in the world, he could've got life, instead he gets 7 years, 2 of which he's already served. :rolleyes:

    Though after that, the yanks want to extradite him... hopefully to Guantanamo Bay where they can pi$$ in the f***ers drinking water. :cool: now that's part way to justice IMHO. :D
  5. solvs macrumors 603


    Jun 25, 2002
    LaLaLand, CA
    Wouldn't that make us just as bad? Worse, because we're supposed to be better than that. Not saying he should be out there anytime soon doing it again. Anymore than, say, Charles Manson. But I don't think we should stoop to their level and prove them right about how "evil" we are. JMO.

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