Has MS done any good?

Discussion in 'Community' started by vniow, Oct 8, 2002.

  1. vniow macrumors G4

    Jul 18, 2002
    I accidentally my whole location.
    This is pobably the worst place to ask this, since most of us are [​IMG] , but has MS done any good for the computer industry?

    Or are they pure [​IMG] like most of us suspect?:p
  2. King Cobra macrumors 603

    Mar 2, 2002
    I really don't hate Microsoft. It's just that I can't stand when people diss the Mac so bad. The only time I can't stand Microsoft is when they support/actually ripoff Apple's greatest products, one of a Fredding kind.

    I just like the opportunity (whenever it comes) to pull a 180 on something that the PC world does to try and mock Apple/Mac related subjects.

    If Microsoft didn't make an Xbox, I would have probably gone with either of the other systems (as supposed to nothing).

    Other than the Xbox, I can't think of much else.
  3. scem0 macrumors 604


    Jul 16, 2002
    back in NYC!
    I like the M$ optical mice. I refuse to say mouses. They work great and are really cheap.
  4. Durandal7 macrumors 68040

    Feb 24, 2001
    The only good that came of Microsoft is that as a result of their rampant stupidity and trampling of competitors the open source movement was born. I only pray that open source tears Windows to shreds in the next few decades.
  5. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    They're making a huge cadre of lawyers rich, that's got to count for something.
  6. FattyMembrane macrumors 6502a


    Apr 14, 2002
    bat country
    the problem with microsoft is that it has never created an origional product or an improved version of an existing one. they have never been inovators in the computer arena, they either buy out or more commonly squash competition. they've done nothing good for the computing community, unless you consider flooding it with 3rd rate products a good thing. what they've done is make crappy and/or stolen software and told the masses that its the best thing around, and of course the masses believe whatever they are told.

    i dont blame them at all for their success or their incredible fortune, but they've really hindered the entire computing industry by stifling innovation and going for a quantity over quality approach.
  7. scem0 macrumors 604


    Jul 16, 2002
    back in NYC!
    Bill Gates/The Devil

    I don't know if anyone has read the story of Antigone, and her death, but we are reading about it in English at my highschool, and we had to find modern day Antigones (people who break the law for their personal beliefs) and I put:

    Rosa Parks

    John Q (Wasn't sure if that was a true story but I put it anyways)


    Bill Gates/The Devil - because Bill gates broke the law by copying SJ, and for his own personal belief that money brings hapiness. I put '/the Devil' because BG is the devil in disguise.

    So if Bill Gates is good for anything, he is good for an English class. :D

  8. mac15 macrumors 68040

    Dec 29, 2001
    They done a grea job, the windows can't be thats bad, still 95% use it.I admire Bill for his buisness and communication skills, he fooled apple back in the 80's, Apple didn't stand a chance.

    I have no probs with Windows, on some fans I like to use it, depends how I'm feeling.
  9. diorio macrumors 6502a

    Aug 22, 2002
    I don't know, microsoft has done some good things, but they do not represent the perfect market system well. In a perfect market system, many suppliers are in business giving the consumer good, cheap, products due the competition. Microsoft tried to be a monopoly, and the government reacted. Other than that, I have no real problems with MS.
  10. Vector macrumors 6502a


    Feb 13, 2002
    I do not like microsoft or bill gates. I think they stifle the creativity of smaller software firms, and have far to much power ofver the computer industry and those industries that support it. I do respect or rather revere bill gates for his business skills. While his methods anger me, i have to respect anyone who can go into IBM and convince the largest computer company at the time that they need a product that i did not even own yet. Not only did IBM buy his pitch, they let him set the terms (licensing) which later made him disgustingly wealthy.
  11. Vector macrumors 6502a


    Feb 13, 2002
    Actually they do represent a pure market economy well. A pure market system places no restrictions on business so a business can become a monopoly under a pure market economy. Microsoft has taken every advantage that it has been able to making it a company that controls 95% of the os business (in the U.S.). It represents a pure market economy at its worst and the reason that the U.S. is not a pure market economy. Theoretically a pure market economy keeps prices reasonable through competition, but since it is a laissez-faire concept competition cannot always exist and one company can control most of the market. Anyway a pure market economy is just a theorectical idea to explain economic concepts so comparing real life to it does no good. All economies are either mixed or traditional (bartering) and there are no pure market (capitalist) or control (socialist) economies. The government may have reacted, but it has accomplished little as of now, and until it breaks up the the company microsoft will still control 95% of the market.
  12. Choppaface macrumors 65816

    Jan 22, 2002
    xp works for me, so that's good

    I can't agree with their legal department and gate's issuing of grants and donations and things, but at least they have decent products. although one would think that their products would be far more innovative for them to hold so much of the market
  13. Dignan macrumors 6502a


    May 28, 2002
    they have created lots of jobs?

    And helped open up lots of exotic car dealerships in the seattle area.
  14. edesignuk Moderator emeritus


    Mar 25, 2002
    London, England
    Personally I have no problem with m$, they must have done something right for that tidy *little* 95% market share, and I run several windows boxes at home with very few problems (all W2k Server, W2K Adv Server, or XP Pro).
    IMHO their only big OS cockup was ME...what a nightmare!
  15. shadowfax macrumors 603


    Sep 6, 2002
    Houston, TX
    M$ has classic richard nixon style.

    they are pretty good at fooling the dumb people, and by and large, they work very well for them. windows is a perfectly OK operating system. we cheer the mac for being so stable... i doubt it would be if it had to support the incredible range of hardware windows has supported in the past few years. that's really hard to make perfect. microsoft's interface department should just throw in their chips now and quit, the default XP skin was insulting to say the least. but at the heart of their OS is a very effective, unifying code base that keeps the world communicating largely without too much trouble.

    that said, microsoft's imperialistic goals are strikingly disturbing. i love a company that is good aat competing. M$ most certainly is. however, when you get to the point where they are competing so they won't have to anymore, it's just sickening. the EULA on windows XP is something that no average user could understand, and probably most decently qualified lawyers. it curtails your freedom of expression, your right to be the only one in control of your computer, and so on.

    microsoft's thus paternal, user-obnoxious attitude towards its customers/users goes a long way in cancelling out any good they do.

    Apple has not always been that much better. but with the release of OS X and other open-source-based stuff, apple has come to be a pioneer of open source, the only major corporation really doing so (small linux distribution companies don't count for me).
  16. shadowfax macrumors 603


    Sep 6, 2002
    Houston, TX
    on a side note, logitech's optical mice are better and cheaper than microsoft's, and my personal favorite mouse (works PC and Mac) it the kensington studio mouse. it's innovation in the truest sense, and it has that wonderful clear shell mac look. worth every bit of the 50-60$ it costs. so no, M$ is not that great in the peripheral market. MAYBE their joysticks though... yeah, not many companies have joysticks like theirs. i think they pioneered the twisting handle thing... i really liked that idea. when M@ came out with it, i couldn't find it on any other brands. oh well, i'll give them credit for one original innovation, then. lol
  17. j763 macrumors 6502a

    Nov 25, 2001
    Champaign, IL, USA
    Yes, I have a problem with Microsoft.

    All of their products suck...

    - Windows (all)
    - Office
    - Internet Information Server
    - .Net
    - MSN
    - FrontPage
    - Microsoft Works
    - XBOX

    ...and there are many more....
  18. jefhatfield Retired


    Jul 9, 2000
    i could go on about all the bad things they did, but i have seen those things on this thread already

    but they did some good;

    1) they financially saved apple (or at least helped them) in the late 90s

    2) they put out some mac products which have been well received by some mac users

    3) they have made a standard for the industry that many people know how to work with on a worldwide basis

    4) i make money in my computer repair business that was helped from knowing and being certified in microsoft product(s)

    as far as bill gates being a great business leader and being evil, both may be true;)

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