Have you ever met a communist, nazi, or anarchist?

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  1. 63dot macrumors 603

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    I had a business for 20 years and one employee I had was, as a child, a member of the KKK. What is interesting is that he didn't know what this group was other than it was a social gathering he went to as a toddler and small child. He didn't end up growing racist so that was good. His roomate was gay so he was not homophobic.

    A decade ago, I worked with a manager in a Fortune 500 company who was a true blue communist. I thought she was joking at first since she had a high paying job and dressed like a yuppie, but she was for real. We never got into the topic very much but I was dying to tell her about a friend of mine, from China, who lived through the "cultural revolution" and the stories she told me were heinous and hard to stomach, but true, as history now tells us.

    And finally, earlier this year I met a Lawrence Livermore Scientist who was a very educated, well spoken neo-Nazi and a fan of ethnic cleansing. My first thought was how somebody like this could be in charge of chemical weapons, biological weapons, and nuclear weapons, for the Department of Energy. A very scary thought.

    What are your stories about meeting people from fringe left wing or right wing groups?
     
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    Well, I used to take my guitar in to a repair shop to get it tinkered on, and I would always stop in at a Chinese restaurant next door. The lady who owned the restaurant had become an American citizen and always was telling me how great America was. I thought her to be a bit of a flag waver like a lot of recent immigrants I have met in my life. She told me she used to be a communist because she had to or else they would kill her. I knew of atrocities there but never met a person who lived through it.

    I always ordered sweet and sour chicken, mandarin beef, or fried pork buns, or something like that, and I asked her if that is how she cooked her food back in China. She told me she would tell me someday what really happened in China in the '60s. I thought she was going to tell me a horror story about eating some type of animal we consider pets here, but during those hard times under the unrest there, she eventually opened up and told me they might have a chicken and make soup for their new year...just one chicken for the whole year.

    Most of the time, if they were lucky, they would find some rice and some vegetables. All water had to be boiled. The communists always promised food and water but it never came. What they did bring was torture and bloodshed on a scale not ever seen in human history.

    I could not believe that the country was under such a depression/conflict for so long. Though I bitch and moan about the GOP/Republicans now as I did then, I realized that the far extreme of the left was nothing close to what I would call liberal, but a totalitarian regime not unlike Imperial Japan, Mussolini's Italy, or Hitler's Germany in World War II.

    Recently, I have been considering what our country may go through if we have a real depression with double digit unemployment for years and illiquid houses and buildings. I sometimes worry about extremists gaining control in our government. But no matter how bad things become, I think we will never fall victim to an extreme system such as mid-60s Chinese communism. I don't know if all the horror stories we hear on CNN really puts the American recession into historical scale.
     
  3. gilkisson macrumors 65816

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    Oh my goodness. Such a question.

    I have met some who think they are "nazi", even though they have no idea at all what a "national socialist" ever was. Original thought between their ears was as rare as, well, suffice to say, very rare.

    Many moons ago, after boot camp, I was stationed in Mississippi. Another GI was with me as we went out on the town one day/afternoon/evening. Ok, we were trolling for girls and drinking, ended up with nothing more than a six-pack. But I digress. That afternoon, he and I (he was black, and I white) stopped in a little hardware/department store to buy something or other. He got to the counter first, put his stuff on the counter, and waited for the lady shopkeeper to ring him up. I recall he face very clearly, with the cigarette hanging out of here face, as she turned, saw a black man at her counter, looked at me, and scowled. She turned her head away from him, and ignoring his presence, asked me is she could help me. I didn't get it, it didn't dawn on me, what was going on. So I said, "no, he was there first, go ahead and get him." She scowled harder, and said "ah sayed, kin ah hep YOU!" By this time, I finally got it, and my buddy was about to start tearing the place up.

    With a few very nice words to the toothless hag, I wrapped my buddy up in a bearhug and started dragging him towards the door. She was screetching, he was bellowing, and I was trying to keep us out of a Mississippi jail. We escaped, but that was one pi**ed off man. Ruined our luck out on the town. yeah, that's what it was.

    They are out there. Stupidity breeds incestuously, it seems.
     
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    Just so you know, any real Communist would not call the Chinese government (past of present) Communist. To call it such shows that you might not quite understand Communism. History is filled with examples of non-Communists calling themselves such. I can expand upon this tomorrow when I have acces to a real computer and not just my touch.
     
  5. 63dot thread starter macrumors 603

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    I definitely know what Marx said was not reflected so well in communist China. :)

    The way I understand communism is that it's supposed to be peaceful, the same way I understand world religions are to be. But it just doesn't come out that way because of that pesky little thing called human nature.

    I think as a world, we take a few steps forward and then back, but ultimately work towards a better planet. There could be a time when "communism" will work, but I can't help but think what can happen again as it did in China during those hard times, and under the years of Stalin.
     
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    Communist, Nazi or Anarchist. Spot the odd one out.
     
  7. Mord macrumors G4

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    I've met a couple of neo-nazi's, unpleasant people really. I've been friends with a few communists and anarchists in my time though all of them have changed their views over time.
     
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    I've met a few people who think they're anarchists, they're usually headed to an anarchist convention or some other meeting where they listen to the "head anarchist" give a speech about how they shouldn't listen to anyone :rolleyes:
     
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    As long as you don't meet a Neo-Con, you'll be fine.
     
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    I live in Britain so Communists are not as rare as you might think, especially among the younger population. There also seems to be quite a bit of BNP support around where I live too unfortunately so neo nazis are in relative abundance.
     
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    I see an anarchist most mornings (I don't shave every day, so it's not every day I see one)
     
  13. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Yes. I knew a neo-nazi in college. At first, he was scary as hell- openly racist and homophobic. I knew some of his friends and they warned me to be careful around him. I hung out with his group of friends a lot and eventually I told him I was gay. It took him a while to get over that, but he did and we became very good friends. He completely renounced the nazi thing too.
     
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    A friend of mine was once an anarchist. He was one of the New Age Travellers who made the headlines in UK in the mid eighties. He lived in a coach, travelling around the festival scene as part of The Peace Convoy and he basically opted out of normal society for about eight years.

    Twenty years on, he's now living in a flat and holding down a full time job. Unfortunately, he's a bit messed up from heavy drug use and is usually pissed out of his mind when I bump into him.
     
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    Having known survivors of Maoist China, I can say that during the time of Mao Zedeng's rule in China the country was anything BUT Communist as defined by Karl Marx. Mao had a personality cult around him like Stalin, and his policies resulted in the deaths of anywhere between 60 and 100 million Chinese (depending on the estimate) citizens from 1949 to 1976. And worst of all, as his health started to decline from the late 1960's onward the infamous Gang of Four took advantage of that and caused even more havoc. :mad: Much of China's historical treasures were lost during the Cultural Revolution period, too. :(
     
  16. Much Ado macrumors 68000

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    Do you think that meeting you made him re-assess his beliefs? I'm certain that a lot of bigotry is committed by people who've never actually met the group they say they hate.

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    I know 2 anarchists, who are both great.
     
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    Absolutely. This was a guy who was in a skinhead gang in New Jersey when in high school. He told me some really messed up, violent stories. He also asserted that when he graduated from college, that he would do everything in his power to keep blacks in "their place". It was pretty incredible to watch him change over just a few years. He eventually became one of the nicest, kindest people I've ever known and a very good friend.
     
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    But you're still attributing faults of authoritarianism and totalitarianism to Communism. What happened in China wouldn't happen in a Communist state. You can't fault Communism for an authoritarian calling himself one.
     
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    Has there ever been a true Communist state, except briefly?? :rolleyes:
     
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    That's a great story. There's a lot of hope for this world if even a neo-nazi can make that sort of transformation.

    No. The USSR got stuck in the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' and from this point fell rapidly into authoritarianism. This is the nation that history has branded as 'communist', but it didn't even come close.
     
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    There's a lot more to that story and it was definitely a bumpy road, but yeah- it can and did happen.
     
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    The listed groups I am talking about have "self-described" members of all three who have talked about the idea of a violent overthrow of the US government. I suggested voting, it's much more effective. ;)

    Neo-cons, as bad as the ones I hear on Fox are, including Ann Coulter, never talk about violent overthrow, and if they did, the FBI would be right outside the studio to take such a person away in cuffs. Talk about violent overthrow to a few friends, that's just talk, say it to 30-100 million viewers, then that's like yelling "fire" in the theater. Constitutional Law 101 will tell you there is a limit to what you can say, what the words contain, and the scope of the message of how many people it reaches.

    Throw a shoe at George W. Bush and he will dodge it and make a joke about it being a size 10, and you will get escorted out of the building, and fined. Talk about a violent overthrow of the US government to his face in front of reporters from major media outlets and having the incident being filmed live in front of millions, and you will been seen as a national threat.

    Neo-cons may be insensitive but the ones you see on television never advocate using force to change government. Someone like an Ann Coulter could ignite self appointed militias everywhere and she could be somebody the radical right, or should I say criminal right, would literally act upon.

    I am with all the ideas of the 60s radicals against the Vietnam War, as it was an illegal and wrong endeavor, however, I would never firebomb a building as a way to protest a violent war. That defeats the whole purpose.
     
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    I've met communists personally, there are quite a few of them in Portugal actually. Obviously the aren't all as militantly anti Capitalism as the 1960's stereotypes painted them to be.

    And I used to be an Anarchist/Nihilist myself, I was one of those pierced mohawk'd street rats. Needless to say I've changed my views, though some of those ideas have stayed with me. I still have a strong distrust of most authority, especially the government.

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  24. szark macrumors 68030

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    To the best of my knowledge, I have never met anyone who was a member of one of those groups.

    from Under Siege 2:

    Admiral Bates: Why would you people hire a goddamn maniac-?
    Tom Breaker: Because, Admiral, sane people do not build weapons like this.
    Admiral Bates: You know, Mr. Breaker... you'd think we'd learn something from that.

    :)
     

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