He was having fun': Student who stabbed four on California university campus identified

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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/0...ops-knife-attack-on-california-school-campus/
    another clown looking to cleanse his sins by killing others?
     
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  3. The-Real-Deal82 macrumors 601

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    There were at least 2 stabbings in London today.... Nobody has yet come forward to ask the government to allow us to carry knives for self defence though.
     
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    The People of the US do not need the US government's permission to carry firearms or knives. Self-defense is recognized as a natural right and affirmed in our Bill of Rights, just like the freedom of speech and a right to privacy.
     
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    kind of sad when you need to ask for government permission defend yourself .
     
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    I think every society/country recognises self defence within reason.

    Handguns were banned here because a nutter murdered a load of 5 year olds in a primary school in Scotland, to which society stood behind that change. Carrying knives in public is illegal here because it was getting out of hand with kids stabbing each other. Since the ban knife crime has reduced, not enough, but has reduced.

    Neither of these law changes are forced upon us by our government. The changes were introduced because of public pressure to ban weapons. The people of the UK have a completely different mentality when it comes to rights and evolving society. It's a demonstration that freedom of speech is powerful enough to force change.
     
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    Sarcasm mate ;)
     
  8. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    Didn't you get the memo?

    Right wing Americans have just announced they'd rather live in denial
     
  9. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    Your bill of rights is about 250 years old.

    By the same logic if the uk was still living by laws that that were written 200 years ago, we'd all be exercising our rights to herd sheep across London Bridge.

    Times change, so should laws.
     
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    The Bill of Rights only assures that your right to own weapons isn't infringed upon. That only covers your right to own a weapon, not where your carry it, what you use it for, etc. etc. etc.
     
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    The thing is, the Bill of Rights is a pretty universal standard of laws. It'll still be relevant 500 years from now.
     
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    And we have a mechanism to change the Constitution. Our Constitution has been amended 27 times.

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    The evidence suggests otherwise.
     
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    Yeah, you're right. In 500 years we won't need any of these rights.:rolleyes:


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    And yet despite that high standard, we somehow managed to amend the constitution to ban alcohol, only to turn around and amend that amendment 3 years later.
     
  16. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Source that evidence please
     
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    Guns are the only contentious issue within the Bill of Rights. And even then, the controversy isn't so much the fact you can own weapons, but the exact extent it allows concerning them.

    The right to own a weapon doesn't necessarily mean you also have a right to strap 15 guns to your back, and walk down Main Street USA. Some people assume it does. Others don't.
     
  18. sim667 macrumors 65816

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    Because all of those rights in the list are adhered to by the US government?

    However, this is all a bit off topic.
     
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    IF we let the TPP go through national sovereignty will be a thing of the past...so you're right.
     
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    Fear not. Former American domestic terrorists Bill Ayers and James Kilgore are looking at the insane killings going on in Obama's hometown of Chicago, and are suggesting that citizen tribunals should try the NRA. Bernardine Dohrn was seen nodding her head in agreement with the suggestion. Boy, what a think tank!
     
  21. chown33 macrumors 604

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    Some of those are wrong, in that they apply to any person, not just US citizens. For example, the 4th & 5th Amendments apply to anyone under US jurisdiction, which includes citizens of other countries who might be visiting, or even people who have entered the country illegally.

    The indicator to look for in the text of an amendment is whether it says "person" / "people" or "citizen".
     
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    Pardon my ignorance but who are James Kligmore and Bernadine Dohrn?
     
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    "Allow us to carry knives" ... are you being weirdly ironic or actually serious?
     
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    I'm being serious. One you lobby to get the government to ban the carrying of knives in public, you sort of have to go through a process if you want it reversed. That usually starts with a campaign asking of it or by vote.

    Do you now understand?
     
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    James Kilgore served six years in prison for his felony involvement in a 1975 bank robbery and was also a member of the Symbionese Liberation Army, known for kidnapping Hearst Media Company heiress Patty Hearst. He wrote a book about incarceration. Possibly to while away the time ...

    Bernadine Dohrn:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

    Weather Underground:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

    Only in America, my friends. The place where you can wreak havoc and murder, and then find a new career, welcomed with open arms, in academia.
     

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