Heartland: Pope using bad science (ow, my head)

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  1. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    The Heartland Institute heard that Pope Frank was going to issue an encyclical on climate change, so they sent people to talk him down from doing that. Because, you know, the Pope is a traditional expert on sciency stuff.

    The utter silliness, irony and BS of this just makes my head hurt.
     
  2. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    the weather is Gods will, stop trying to change it :D
     
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    That awkward moment when "the war on Christianity" is carried out by the right...
     
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    Not really. Most of the Religious Right are Evangelicals who regard Catholics with something akin to suspicion.

    That said, if the Pope takes dictation from God regarding climate change I hope Jesus weighs in on the benefits of greenhouse-free nuclear power.
     
  5. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    I imagine God would be more into solar.

    Let there be light.
     
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    Pretty sure he meant Cherenkov radiation.
     
  7. Sydde thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Not to be pedantic or anything, but solar is nuclear.
     
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    This guy seems really bitter that solar panels are taking off. It's as if he was hoping the whole "green fad" would have faded away years ago, and when it grew he was shocked and disappointed. Anything "green" or "environmentally friendly" is a liberal conspiracy.
     
  9. Melab macrumors regular

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    Farthest thing from it. Solar has its basis in the photoelectric effect. Nuclear power has the same basis as coal, wood, water, and wind: the movement of a fluid turns a generator.
     
  10. Sydde thread starter macrumors 68020

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    I believe The Heartland Institute are Koch fiends, so that would explain that.

    But it is still nuclear power.
     
  11. Melab macrumors regular

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    It's not in any way, shape, or form a type of nuclear power.
     
  12. Sydde thread starter macrumors 68020

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    It is in every way shape and form nuclear power.
     
  13. Melab macrumors regular

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    Just to be clear on this, you think solar power is a form of nuclear power?
     
  14. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    The sun.

    The sun is a form of nuclear power.
     
  15. APlotdevice macrumors 68040

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    Yeah, but the sun runs on nuclear fusion, not nuclear fission. :p
     
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    The only form of power generation I can think of that does not have a nuclear origin is tidal power.
     
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    Point.

    Then again, without the energy of the sun, there would be no liquid water on this planet.
     
  20. Melab macrumors regular

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    Oh, for God's sake this is inane. If we want to play this stupid game, then the "real" source of power is not nuclear fusion but the gravitational potential energy that drives it. Head, meet desk.
     
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    The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
    A gigantic nuclear furnace
    Where hydrogen is built into helium
    At a temperature of millions of degrees

    Yo ho, it's hot, the sun is not
    A place where we could live
    But here on earth there'd be no life
    Without the light it gives

    We need it's light
    We need it's heat
    We need it's energy
    Without the sun, without a doubt
    There'd be no you and me

    The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
    A gigantic nuclear furnace
    Where hydrogen is built into helium
    At a temperature of millions of degrees

    The sun is hot

    It is so hot that everything on it is a gas: iron, copper, aluminum, and many others.

    The sun is large

    If the sun were hollow, a million earths could fit inside. and yet, the sun is only a middle-sized star.

    The sun is far away

    About 93 million miles away, and that's why it looks so small.

    And even when it's out of sight
    The sun shines night and day

    The sun gives heat
    The sun gives light
    The sunlight that we see
    The sunlight comes from our own sun's
    Atomic energy

    (*)Scientists have found that the sun is a huge atom-smashing machine. the heat and light of the sun come from the nuclear reactions of hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, and helium.

    The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
    A gigantic nuclear furnace
    Where hydrogen is built into helium
    At a temperature of millions of degrees

    [(*)Live versions of this song are improvised extensively. some variants on this section:]
    Scientists have found that the sun is a huge atom-smashing machine. The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
    A gigantic nuclear furnace
    Where hydrogen is built into helium
    At a temperature of millions of degrees

    Yo ho, it's hot, the sun is not
    A place where we could live
    But here on earth there'd be no life
    Without the light it gives

    We need it's light
    We need it's heat
    We need it's energy
    Without the sun, without a doubt
    There'd be no you and me

    The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
    A gigantic nuclear furnace
    Where hydrogen is built into helium
    At a temperature of millions of degrees

    The sun is hot

    It is so hot that everything on it is a gas: iron, copper, aluminum, and many others.

    The sun is large

    If the sun were hollow, a million earths could fit inside. and yet, the sun is only a middle-sized star.

    The sun is far away

    About 93 million miles away, and that's why it looks so small.

    And even when it's out of sight
    The sun shines night and day

    The sun gives heat
    The sun gives light
    The sunlight that we see
    The sunlight comes from our own sun's
    Atomic energy

    (*)Scientists have found that the sun is a huge atom-smashing machine. the heat and light of the sun come from the nuclear reactions of hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, and helium.

    The sun is a mass of incandescent gas
    A gigantic nuclear furnace
    Where hydrogen is built into helium
    At a temperature of millions of degrees. P
     
  22. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Yes. It is inane.

    I hope you don't want to continue playing this stupid game.

    There are far more interesting things to talk about.
     
  23. Melab macrumors regular

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    Getting serious for a moment, they are probably arguing that environmentalists are "anti-progress" because they realize the cost-based arguments just can't cut it.
     
  24. caesarp macrumors 6502a

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    If you think about it, the primitive religions that worshipped the sun were more "right" and scientific than any of the major religions around today. Worshipping the sun actually makes some scientific sense, since not only is it essential to all life on earth, but every atom on earth and in humans and every other form of life on earth, came from the furnace of exploding stars. So while we laugh at primitives worshipping the sun, the true source of life lies in the stars and the atoms created therein. We are all made up of old stars. So to the extent ANY religion makes sense, worshipping the sun (a star) actually has a little bit of sense behind it.
     
  25. Sydde thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Actually, I think the bulk of the sun is plasma, not gas. Interestingly, the net energy output as measured per cubic foot at the core of the sun is about the same as a good compost heap. Obviously much hotter, but most of the heat is retained, not given off. Of course, there are a lot of cubic feet in the core.
     

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