Hellish hours and a hellish boss led me to quit my job at Apple - newspaper article

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  1. the8thark macrumors 68040


    Apr 18, 2011
  2. K-Funk macrumors member

    Jul 24, 2007
    Sounds like the guy just didn't like his boss. It could happen at any company.
  3. eRondeau macrumors 6502a


    Mar 3, 2004
    Canada's South Coast
    I read this story yesterday on Medium.com.

    First of all this guy didn't work for Apple at all, he was a subcontractor for a subcontractor at an Apple office. He worked for Apple about as much as the guy who picks up my garbage at the curb every Monday morning works for me. Second of all, his mean old boss didn't work FOR Apple either. And third, rather than do the "normal" thing that people who legitimately feel they are being bullied in the workplace do (ie- talk to HR) he instead decided to quit and loudly BLAME APPLE in newspapers & in online media.

    It sounds to me like this guy expected to head-up iOS 8 on his first day at work and I suspect no boss in the world would have stroked his ego enough to placate his sense of entitlement.

    I hope his next boss asks him extra nicely to put less salt on the fries.
  4. thekev macrumors 604


    Aug 5, 2010
    Contract employees that are hired through recruitment agencies typically have dispute resolution agreements somewhere in their contract. There was apparently an edit related to HR comments on medium in case you're interested.
  5. Jessica Lares macrumors G3

    Jessica Lares

    Oct 31, 2009
    Near Dallas, Texas, USA
    The producer was being pushy in a not so ethical way. But I bet he has it harder than him. Probably goes through the same thing every other week, new hires, new fires. Probably wasn't even real work. Everyone on that team was probably being tested to see if they could even handle that fast paced environment and stress.

    You can be the best designer in the world, but if you can't meet deadlines, you're useless for a company that depends so much on meeting them every single time.
  6. chrono1081 macrumors 604


    Jan 26, 2008
    Isla Nublar
    I know several people at Apple and they love it.
  7. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    Good bosses and bad bosses happen everywhere. Add on top of that, the complications that arise from conflicts from personalities.
  8. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    It turned out that he hated his previous non-Apple job too:

    Exactly. There's no 100% proof that his boss didn't work for Apple, but I think the quitter is probably reporting to a contractor.
  9. PinkyMacGodess macrumors 601


    Mar 7, 2007
    Midwest America.
    Second that.

    I worked for a true ******* of a boss. He was a total mind game. I didn't interact with him much, but when I did, it wasn't pretty. He was always a jerk and never approached me straight on. I did love the work, and the others I worked with were completely awesome. But this boss loved to pit me against a couple of others on the programming team. It took a while to get that I was being played like that, but in the end, out of all the bull crap, I was the best programmer on the team. I think he hated that at some level, but he knew I was carrying the weight and getting the jobs done. It was pretty odd to find out that he wrote a glowing recommendation for the next job I applied for. They contacted him, and when they hired me, they asked me what it was like working there, and how could I leave such a place as that. Blew me away. Apparently surviving his BS made me a star...

    But anyway, back to the regularly scheduled programming...
  10. roadbloc macrumors G3


    Aug 24, 2009
    Working at a software giant can't be for everyone. I consider myself to be lazy so I know it wouldn't be for me.
  11. PinkyMacGodess macrumors 601


    Mar 7, 2007
    Midwest America.
    I remember an article about working at Blizzard, and it sounded like hell on earth.
  12. TSE macrumors 68030

    Jun 25, 2007
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    Guy with more self-importance than is healthy.
  13. whooleytoo macrumors 603


    Aug 2, 2002
    Cork, Ireland.
    The two things I took from that article:

    - Who is that 'woman using a Mac in an office'?????

    - Did he confront his boss directly about the comments, instead of walking out? Some people are surprised at how their comments are taken seriously.
  14. Mousse macrumors 68000


    Apr 7, 2008
    Flea Bottom, King's Landing
    Hellish hours? I guess the guy is use to freelancing where he can get to work when he's good and ready and leave when he's had it up to here. Almost every 9 to 5 job has inflexible hours.:rolleyes:

    Except for the boss being a douche, his job is great compared to mine. A private bus taking me to work (no being stuck in hour long commute in stop and go traffic), skilled co-workers (no gold brickers or noobs), prestige. Day-um...how can I land a job like that? I know how to handle douche bag bosses. I dealt with one for years before moving on.
  15. Consultant macrumors G5


    Jun 27, 2007
    It seems that couriermail.com.au uses random stock photos unrelated to the person.

    He quit the job before the Apple contracting job too.
  16. the8thark thread starter macrumors 68040


    Apr 18, 2011
    They do this all the time. Whatever looks better or gets mote page hits.
  17. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    [MOD NOTE]
    Lets keep the PRSI posts out of the thread.
  18. gnasher729 macrumors P6


    Nov 25, 2005
    I couldn't say, but talking bad about your previous employer, especially in public, is never a good idea, because any potential new employer knows that one day they will be your ex-employer.

    And responding to some of his quotes, I have never seen an "engineering-driven" company that wouldn't appreciate good design. I have, however, seen "designers" who created absolutely rubbish designs. I remember some truly idiot designer who designed a window background at something like 600 x 800 pixels; people complained that compression artifacts were clearly visible because the resolution was so low so he blew it up to 1200 x 1600 pixels (with obviously 4x the storage but the exact same artefacts). And then we needed higher resolution for retina displays and he or she quadrupled the size again...
  19. chown33 macrumors 604

    Aug 9, 2009
    The design was fine. Compression artefacts are an engineering problem.

  20. the batman macrumors regular

    Feb 16, 2010
    There are always two sides to a story. The story we know is probably, at least, partially false and he probably wasn't as good at his job as he thought he was.
  21. JoeG4 macrumors 68030


    Jan 11, 2002
    Bay Area, Ca.
    Meh. One of my old college friends works at Apple. He seems to have a love/hate for it. At first, he went about it as if his dream comes true.

    Now he says he still loves the company but at times seems a little disenchanted.

    TBH though, some of my friends have much worse hours at other companies lol. I'd try Apple!
  22. the8thark thread starter macrumors 68040


    Apr 18, 2011
    Do you feel like putting up the link you read here?
  23. iDuel, Feb 16, 2014
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2014

    iDuel macrumors 6502a


    Jul 20, 2011
    I believe that post #4 has a link to that article on Medium.


    All things aside, he should have handled the situation the right way and spoke with his boss, or HR department (even if he was contracted, there had to be some entity he could have gotten in touch with on this matter). Furthermore, he's jeopardized his chances of getting another job because if the way he walked out and how he's made it public. He couldn't have been thinking about how this would affect future employment opportunities.

    In short, he should have contacted the proper entities to discuss his boss and/or resigned the proper way.
  24. smithrh macrumors 68020


    Feb 28, 2009
    Some people in this thread sound like they haven't run into contracting that much...

    There's a whole spectrum of contracting, it can be "we need an admin to answer the phones on Friday, Betty's taking PTO" to "we need an PhD for 4 years and we don't care what it costs."

    From the article, this sounds like something in the middle. The lines can get very blurred, so I understand how it can be misunderstood.

    In essence, while technically employed by the contracting house (many times called a "body shop"), he was mainly an Apple employee. Apple badge, Apple boss, Apple hours, some Apple bennies (the bus, cafeteria, but not 401k, PTO, etc).

    Apple would like this arrangement for a few reasons:

    • They don't have an employee added
    • They can let that person go immediately if they don't like them or demand slows
    • They can pay this as an expense and other financial reasons

    Basically, it's low risk for Apple, and it's also called "try before buy" as good people brought on this way can many times become permanent.

    Note, it's not really a cost savings as the body shop can be taking well over 50% of the pay rate as... well, tribute. LOL. Plus contract people are paid fairly well as the assumption is that this sort of work is temporary, and generally they get no benefits from their true employer.

    In this sort of arrangement, you might have a pretty hard time separating out a permanent employee from a contract worker. Same goals, same boss, using the same systems, etc. There does have to be a veneer of difference though as the IRS (here in the states anyways) will look to see if they really are being treated as an employee. But this veneer isn't usually all that thick.

    So, it's not uncommon to hear "oh you're contract? I thought you were permanent" or even the opposite "I thought you were contract" in these sort of environments.

    Bottom line, sounds like this guy had visions in his head, didn't understand the relationships involved (his Apple boss was his boss, yes he could have gone to Apple HR, they'll listen to complaints), and he didn't like how all the sudden his days, which were fairly open, went to being dominated by his employer. Yeah, that can be a shock but if he would have been a bit more cognizant of what role he was playing, he could have parlayed that into something more down the road, but that this point all he's done is burn bridges - publicly.

    Now, having said all that, I've heard Apple is a tough place to work, they work you hard and you really don't get even a clue as to what's going on around you due to secrecy. That's probably not all that fun - the most engaged I've been is when I knew what was going on, I knew how to help and I knew how to contribute.

    Note: I've been a contractor, I've hired contractors... Been there, done that.
  25. Mr. Retrofire macrumors 601

    Mr. Retrofire

    Mar 2, 2010
    Love what?

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