Help Wanted in America

Southern Dad

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President Obama in his State of the Union address on January 28, 2014 stated that more than eight million jobs were created by businesses over the last four years. He touted this as an accomplishment and started his speech off with it. He went on to say that the results of these efforts is that we have the lowest unemployment rate in over five years.

If we take our President at his word and these millions of jobs have been created, why do we need unemployment extensions? Why can’t unemployment go back to 26 weeks? The Democrats in the Senate passed Emergency Unemployment Compensation Extension Act of 2014 (S.2149)

It is my contention that there are jobs out there for those that want them. Plenty of people are looking for workers. Post photos of "Help Wanted" signs that you see and let's see if we can figure out why America isn't working.
 

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I admire your persistence in finding and posting these pictures. Must be difficult doing it in between checking our SNAP purchases and what kind of car they drive.
 

Southern Dad

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I admire your persistence in finding and posting these pictures. Must be difficult doing it in between checking our SNAP purchases and what kind of car they drive.
We can have a real conversation or we can snipe one liners at each other.

Lack of computer skills? You'd be amazed at how many people don't understand basic things like Exif tags.
I'm not worried about EXIF tags, I don't hide who I am. If you are worried about EXIF tags on your photos, just do a screenshot of the photos. Personally, the EXIF tags verify that what I'm posting is accurate and current.
 

Southern Dad

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It's sad that people actually believe this is how welfare works.
What isn't true about it? Look at all the "safety net" programs we have for those who don't earn enough to support a family. If you work a little you can get the EITC. Then there's Unemployment Insurance and all it's extensions if you get fired. There's Section 8 Housing, there's SNAP, Medicaid, let's not forget a free cell phone.
 

vrDrew

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I'm not worried about EXIF tags, I don't hide who I am..
Your thumbnails are all rotated 90˚

In the big scheme of things, maybe not such a big deal. But when making an argument, its sort of like showing up at a job interview with ketchup on your shirt, or a huge honking typo on your resume.
 

yg17

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All of those positions require some sort of experience and skill. If you know nothing about car repair, pest control, or lawn care you wouldn't be qualified for any of them. Not even sure if Burger King would hire you as a manager if you have no experience working in a fast food restaurant or managing a retail business.
 

EvilQueen

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Your thumbnails are all rotated 90˚

In the big scheme of things, maybe not such a big deal. But when making an argument, its sort of like showing up at a job interview with ketchup on your shirt, or a huge honking typo on your resume.
Not sure it is the OP's fault. Click on them and they are correctly oriented. They are attached images so it may be a forum software thing.
 

Southern Dad

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All of those positions require some sort of experience and skill. If you know nothing about car repair, pest control, or lawn care you wouldn't be qualified for any of them. Not even sure if Burger King would hire you as a manager if you have no experience working in a fast food restaurant or managing a retail business.
Changing oil isn't exactly a high skilled job. As for the others, maybe that is where you need to "sell" yourself. You could offer to work at a lower rate while learning the job. When you don't have a full-time job, you do have a full-time job… It's called finding a job.
 

lannister80

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Changing oil isn't exactly a high skilled job. As for the others, maybe that is where you need to "sell" yourself. You could offer to work at a lower rate while learning the job. When you don't have a full-time job, you do have a full-time job… It's called finding a job.
Right, it's just that simple. I guess those millions of unemployed can now go get jobs thanks to your advice! After all, nothing legitimate is holding them back.

You should get a Nobel in economics.
 

zin

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It's even more sad that people think they actually work for welfare.
That's the point of welfare. I don't have statistics for the U.S., but in the UK the vast majority of welfare recipients are employed and working.

Not sure if you're trying to imply this, but nobody on the left or right supports fraudulent welfare claims. Nobody wants people to be lazy and be a free loafer. I personally have the opinion that if you are healthy and are able to work, but choose not to look for a job, then your welfare should be terminated.

What isn't true about it? Look at all the "safety net" programs we have for those who don't earn enough to support a family. If you work a little you can get the EITC. Then there's Unemployment Insurance and all it's extensions if you get fired. There's Section 8 Housing, there's SNAP, Medicaid, let's not forget a free cell phone.
What point are you making? Frankly I am fine with the idea that from any tax contribution I make, some of that will go to help my fellow citizens.

Some people will abuse the system, of course they will. That is expected. I'm willing to bet, however, that the percentage of people abusing and defrauding the system are dwarfed by the percentage of people who claim the welfare honestly and without fraudulent intent.

The opinion that more welfare makes people lazy must be an American thing, as internationally the more social securities that are implemented have net positive effects. I direct you to the Scandinavian countries and even places such as Germany, which I pointed out to you a couple of weeks ago but you conveniently didn't choose to explain why these countries are not swamped with unemployment and laziness.
 

jbachandouris

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And even the low wage jobs won't even give you the time of day if you've been out of work for 6 months or more.

Do you really believe BK would hire a laid off IT person to work in their chain? No they wouldn't, they would just assume that the person would leave when they found a better job.

Try getting hired as an oil-change person when you've never done that kind of work before. Sales? Really? Oooh commission. No thanks.

Offer to work for a lower wage? So my family and I can be out on the streets?

Sell yourself? After being laid off for even a few months, your self-worth plummets, so there's NOTHING to sell.

Sorry, you have no clue what the real world is like for the unemployed.

At the very least, the 599 program, which allows a person to collect while in school, should be funded beyond 26 weeks.

I am in school 3 nights a week, working towards a degree and on the 599 program...for now.
 

P-Worm

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Maybe no one is taking those jobs because they don't pay enough? I guarantee if Burger King paid $100/hour they would get plenty of applicants. In the end, if these business's can't find applicants, it's their own fault.

P-Worm
 

Dweez

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In my not so humble opinion there's a lot of "I'm not going to do/apply for/have THAT job, it's beneath me." And why work when "the government" provides support such as money and food?
 

Southern Dad

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And even the low wage jobs won't even give you the time of day if you've been out of work for 6 months or more.

Do you really believe BK would hire a laid off IT person to work in their chain? No they wouldn't, they would just assume that the person would leave when they found a better job.

Try getting hired as an oil-change person when you've never done that kind of work before. Sales? Really? Oooh commission. No thanks.

Offer to work for a lower wage? So my family and I can be out on the streets?

Sell yourself? After being laid off for even a few months, your self-worth plummets, so there's NOTHING to sell.

Sorry, you have no clue what the real world is like for the unemployed.

At the very least, the 599 program, which allows a person to collect while in school, should be funded beyond 26 weeks.

I am in school 3 nights a week, working towards a degree and on the 599 program...for now.
When I was out of work, I took a job changing oil for Blitz Lube in Athens. Worked my tail off. I got the job that day, I was wearing a shirt and tie. Put the coveralls on right over it and went to work.

Maybe no one is taking those jobs because they don't pay enough? I guarantee if Burger King paid $100/hour they would get plenty of applicants. In the end, if these business's can't find applicants, it's their own fault.

P-Worm
I'm impressed. I see all the excuses of why people can't get a job. Why people shouldn't take a job. You are all right. They can't get a job… No one will hire them… They don't pay enough… Since all these things are beyond their control, I guess it is just time to curl up in a little ball until your next welfare benefits checks roll in.
 

jbachandouris

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It's not always about that. Have you ever been in a situation where a job is just not a good fit? You can't force that. Not everyone is capable of doing just any job. It would be nice, but that's not reality.

Some cannot do warehouse; too slow or too weak.
Fast food? Some cannot grasp the concept nor the speed.
Sales? Not everyone has what it takes to live on commission.

We can't apply a cookie cutter. Not everyone is the same. I have yet to meet one unemployed person who doesn't want a job. Maybe you have, but I haven't.

Some cannot just pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, as they say. Maybe these unemployment centers need to actually serve their purpose and help those who have no clue what to do.
 

vrDrew

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I really don't understand what the point is here. And its my opinion that the OP simply has no clue about the reality of looking for a job in today's economy.

The fact of the matter is that for most positions, the pool of applicants far outnumbers the positions available. Like this Wal-Mart - where 23 thousand people applied for roughly 600 (mostly minimum wage) jobs.

The second little secret is that, in many instances, the presence of a "Now Hiring!" sign outside a business doesn't necessarily mean there is a job opening. Many businesses, including most retail firms, keep such signs up just to keep an up-to-date pool of potential candidates to fill positions should they become available. Or to give the impression that the business is doing well. Or simply because the manager is too lazy to take the sign down.

And speaking of retail jobs: Many of them simply hire two or three part-time people rather than a single full-timer, so they can skip out on paying benefits. You know, like health insurance. Nice move there, corporate america!

Keep kidding yourself that unemployment is due to lazy moochers kicking back and getting fat on free benefits. Because anyone with a brain and a conscience knows better.
 

jbachandouris

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I really don't understand what the point is here. And its my opinion that the OP simply has no clue about the reality of looking for a job in today's economy.

The fact of the matter is that for most positions, the pool of applicants far outnumbers the positions available. Like this Wal-Mart - where 23 thousand people applied for roughly 600 (mostly minimum wage) jobs.

The second little secret is that, in many instances, the presence of a "Now Hiring!" sign outside a business doesn't necessarily mean there is a job opening. Many businesses, including most retail firms, keep such signs up just to keep an up-to-date pool of potential candidates to fill positions should they become available. Or to give the impression that the business is doing well. Or simply because the manager is too lazy to take the sign down.

And speaking of retail jobs: Many of them simply hire two or three part-time people rather than a single full-timer, so they can skip out on paying benefits. You know, like health insurance. Nice move there, corporate america!

Keep kidding yourself that unemployment is due to lazy moochers kicking back and getting fat on free benefits. Because anyone with a brain and a conscience knows better.
Couldn't have said it better.
 

Southern Dad

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It's not always about that. Have you ever been in a situation where a job is just not a good fit? You can't force that. Not everyone is capable of doing just any job. It would be nice, but that's not reality.

Some cannot do warehouse; too slow or too weak.
Fast food? Some cannot grasp the concept nor the speed.
Sales? Not everyone has what it takes to live on commission.

We can't apply a cookie cutter. Not everyone is the same. I have yet to meet one unemployed person who doesn't want a job. Maybe you have, but I haven't.

Some cannot just pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, as they say. Maybe these unemployment centers need to actually serve their purpose and help those who have no clue what to do.
Yes, more excuses. There sure a lot of excuses as to why people can't find jobs. The President claims more than 8 million jobs have been created in the past four years. He said it, not me.

I really don't understand what the point is here. And its my opinion that the OP simply has no clue about the reality of looking for a job in today's economy.

The fact of the matter is that for most positions, the pool of applicants far outnumbers the positions available. Like this Wal-Mart - where 23 thousand people applied for roughly 600 (mostly minimum wage) jobs.

The second little secret is that, in many instances, the presence of a "Now Hiring!" sign outside a business doesn't necessarily mean there is a job opening. Many businesses, including most retail firms, keep such signs up just to keep an up-to-date pool of potential candidates to fill positions should they become available. Or to give the impression that the business is doing well. Or simply because the manager is too lazy to take the sign down.

And speaking of retail jobs: Many of them simply hire two or three part-time people rather than a single full-timer, so they can skip out on paying benefits. You know, like health insurance. Nice move there, corporate america!

Keep kidding yourself that unemployment is due to lazy moochers kicking back and getting fat on free benefits. Because anyone with a brain and a conscience knows better.
Really? So by that logic, tomorrow when the Cup & Saucer Diner in Loganville opens, she should come in early because there is going to be a line of people at the door not waiting for breakfast but wanting to apply for one of those cook positions?

Top Turf is going to have a line, Burger King, etc. Right? I didn't see any lines at the door waiting for these positions.