To me the thing that is most important regardless of platform is that the teachers and students are happy with the final platform choosen.mkjellman said:i find it interesting that they all complained about appleworks being a huge issue...microsoft office costs the same regardless of the platform so is dell going to take a hit just to have them buy their computers and bundle office for free? i'm very confused...think of all the money they are also going to have to spend in virus software etc....
You can call BS for all of those.Maintenance, technical support, software and price are some of the factors behind the decision to move from Apple to Dell laptops at the high school level.
But they have already been using Apple for the last 4 years...winmacguy said:Regardless of the relevant benefits of either platform - OSX is virus free BUT you have to bring more people up to speed and familarise them with the different platform and the small things that make it a different plarform and learning experience which would mean a change that some people dont like making - OR leave them on a platform that they are all comfortable with, virus and security issues et al and have the teachers teaching the students and getting results. In short "better the devil you know than the devil you dont"
The only thing the article doesn't specify is what version of Apple OS the school had been using. This can also be a factor judging by some of the comments in the articlebroken_keyboard said:But they have already been using Apple for the last 4 years...
I think from the article that Apple offered price X and Dell offered price Y, and Apple just wasn't competitive. It's not a judgment on OS X.
Hence my original postswingerofbirch said:Regardless, it's not a zero sum game. Apple is at its worst incredibly arrogant, smug, and only adheres to rules when it is in their favor. At their best, they come out with some neat stuff because of their arrogance, smugness, and inability to live by the rules all the time.
Apple's no angel, and Dell is no devil, all I'm saying.
I really do see Apple being this way, quality control issues aside. Some school districts, like mine, don't really see the advantage of Apple when Microsoft puts $$$ in the district's pockets.f Apple wants to get their market back they need to continue to be the "BMW" of computer markets
BZZZZT. Im sorry Mr. Brown. Its obvious by your buzz word you dont know **** about security. There are a lot of assumptions that I have to make to fill in the blanks but lets assume that the filters are laptop based (Because if they are server based they would be useless when the student\teacher takes their laptop home to their broadband network.) Do you think you can lock down every site to avoid adware\spyware? Im betting my annual salary you cant. Im betting that within 6 months 30-60% of the laptops out there will have ad\spyware. Second you dont need filters (In this case the filters are a firewall.) on a Mac simply because of the number of ports that are open by default. Its prudent to have it on but its not a mandate like on Windows. (If you arent running a FW on Windows or at the very least behind a router with DHCP you are pretty much screwed.) Again heres hoping that you configured your firewall software correctly because I know for a fact that Windows Printer sharing function is locked out with MSs firewall be default. Wonder how happy those students are going to be when they take their computer home to the parents networks and cant connect to the printer. But the school is obviously going to provide tech support for them right? Or are you going to hand that off to Dell and their white noise speaking tech support folks out of India?Brown also addressed the question of security how to prevent students from accessing inappropriate web sites. First of all, he said, The type of laptop does not have anything to do with security its your filters. Therefore, security will be a challenge with any product.
He said the school division would continue to maintain the most up-to-date filters and security measures.
Let me lay out some initial projections on downtime with the Inspirons. 15,800 systems right? Out of the box expect several hundred to be faulty. Be it bad trackpads, hard drives, motherboards, etc. Within 1 year expect at least 10-15% of these systems to have issues with the hard drives in some form or another. Either outright failures or corrupted sectors where the OS hits the hard drive a lot. Access to core OS files will be lost and BSODs on boot will occure. Within a year expect at least 1-2 dozen laptops to have some form of faulty mainboard. How do I know this? From dealing with Dell. I know what their business line of Latitude laptops are like. The fact that they are going with Inspirons makes me feel for the teachers and students. Dell makes OK business laptops but their consumer laptops BLOW. Ive serviced numerous laptops that have been brought in by the people in my office because Im the IT guy. I apparently service not only our company but peoples personal computers. I see the quality in Dells consumer grade laptops and they are ****. This isnt Apple biasness. This is the god honest truth.Making sure every high school student may utilize a laptop every day was one of the priorities for this new contract, Morton said. At any given time, he said 10 to 15 percent of the students in each classroom do not have an iBook due to maintenance issues.
That last line is verbatim what the outsourcer promised. It wont happen. It will be sloppy it will break documents. It will cause lost data and it frankly will piss of a lot of people. However that being said I understand why they want office. Its an industry standard. Sorry but even if Apple upgraded iWork its still no substitute for Office. Apple really should have offered MS Office in the deal. I can really see that one point as a deal breaker.Freeman High School Principal Dr. Ed Pruden, who was on the evaluation committee, said the switch from AppleWorks to Office will be the biggest concern for teachers. We have a commitment from Dell to make that transition smooth, Pruden said.
mkjellman said:i find it interesting that they all complained about appleworks being a huge issue...microsoft office costs the same regardless of the platform so is dell going to take a hit just to have them buy their computers and bundle office for free? i'm very confused...think of all the money they are also going to have to spend in virus software etc....
Don't you just love that word? Seriously. This is coming from and I quote "director of technology" Filter seems to be the buzz word for this guy.applekid said:"filters."