Here we go again. House Democrats introduce Semi-Auto gun control bill

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  1. darksithpro macrumors 6502a

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    Dems keep taking it to the extreme. This is well beyond the scope of the AR-15.

    https://cicilline.house.gov/press-release/cicilline-introduces-assault-weapons-ban-2018

    WASHINGTON – Today, U.S. Congressman David N. Cicilline (RI-01) is introducing the Assault Weapons Ban of 2018.

    “Assault weapons were made for one purpose. They are designed to kill as many people as possible in a short amount of time. They do not belong in our communities,” said Cicilline. “I am proud to introduce the Assault Weapons Ban with the support of leaders in law enforcement. It’s on all of us to end this carnage.”

    “Americans don’t own tanks or missiles; so why should our streets be flooded with weapons of war made for the sole purpose of killing people? The Stoneman Douglas community is still reeling from this awful tragedy. But they want and deserve action from Congress,” said Congressman Ted Deutch (FL-22). “Banning assault weapons isn’t a Democratic idea, nor is it new; President Reagan supported the initial ban, which expired in 2004. Most Americans support the assault weapons ban. Now it’s time for Congress to listen and pass sensible legislation to get these weapons of war off our streets.”

    The Assault Weapons Ban of 2018 will prohibit the sale, transfer, production, and importation of:

    · Semi-automatic rifles and pistols with a military-style feature that can accept a detachable magazine;

    · Semi-automatic rifles with a fixed magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds;

    · Semi-automatic shotguns with a military-style feature;

    · Any ammunition feeding device that can hold more than 10 rounds;

    · And 205 specifically-named and listed firearms.

    “While NOBLE supports this legislation, we also understand as law enforcement that it will not completely resolve the gun violence in our country,” said Clarence Cox III and Vera Bumpers of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives. “However, it is movement toward disrupting gun violence. Our children deserve to be protected and adults have an obligation to never forget that. NOBLE would also like the House to consider addressing the new “Ghost Gun.” The “Ghost Gun” is of grave concern to law enforcement. These guns allow individuals to legally purchase components and once all components have been assembled can create an assault weapon, there are currently no procedures in place to detect these weapons. These assault weapons will have no serial number and are commonly referred to as “Ghost Guns.”

    “Assault weapons have no legitimate purpose on the streets of America. Their sole purpose is to enable shooters to rapidly kill large numbers of people, so it is no surprise that these high-power firearms have become the weapon of choice for mass killers,” added Chuck Wexler, Executive Director of the Police Executive Research Forum. “Prohibiting the manufacture and sale of assault weapons, and the high-capacity magazines they carry, would require shooters to stop and reload, providing opportunities to take down an active shooter. The 1994 assault weapons ban was effective until it expired in 2004. During the time it was in effect, police agencies saw decreases in criminals’ use of assault weapons. These favorable trends reversed when the ban expired. Assault weapons have been used in Parkland, in Las Vegas, in Orlando, in Sutherland Springs, in San Bernardino, and in many other mass shootings. Congress must act now to reduce the death toll.”

    “WIFLE Foundation, Inc. supports Congressman Cicilline’s efforts to propose legislation that prohibits the sale, transfer, manufacture, and importation of semi-automatic weapons and ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds,” said Catherine W. Sanz, President of the Women in Federal Law Enforcement Foundation. “We also support the protection of sporting and hunting rifles and the use of assault weapons by law enforcement and the military.”

    When an assault weapon or a high-capacity magazine is used in a shooting, the number of victims who are killed increases by 63%. There have been almost 8,300 incidents of gun violence so far in 2018. More than 2,200 Americans have lost their lives. More than 500 children have been killed or injured.

    As the frequency of mass shootings has increased in recent years, assault weapons have become the weapon of choice for these murderers. Assault weapons were used in attacks on Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Florida and the Route 91 Harvest music festival in Las Vegas. Shooters have also used assault weapons to commit mass murder at Sandy Hook Elementary School and a movie theatre in Aurora, Colorado.
     
  2. samcraig macrumors P6

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    I see no problem with this bill.

    The 2A isn't a blanket acceptance of any/all guns and ammunition.
     
  3. darksithpro thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    By limiting every firearm to 10 rounds, you would literally cripple the functioning of the device. This is basically "replace all state firearm laws with California's current gun laws". This is what California has right now.
     
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    Can’t imagine why. The answer is the same as it always was, more guns equals more saves. I mean, that’s been the trend, but who pays attention to those? Oh, nobody, because it doesn’t.

    We also need more doctors to prescribe more opioids, and more off-sea drilling. If we had more lead in paint, our children and grandchildren would have built up more immunity.
     
  5. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Again - I have no problem with that. You need more than 10 rounds to make a kill? Why else do you need more than 10 rounds?
     
  6. darksithpro thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Who gets to decide that number? Liberals? Why not 7, or 5 then? This is getting ridiculous.
     
  7. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    This ludicrous bill will go nowhere. It bans far too many firearms, including police firearms (unless they're going to try and make cops a special class). Frankly, the dolts who wrote it should be run out of congress.
     
  8. darksithpro thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    This bill is absurd and will do nothing to prevent another school tragedy.
     
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    Sadly this will go nowhere, but at least it seems to be trying to get at the actual issue and limiting the number of shots a person can take without reloading instead of just going after one kind of gun that looks scary and ignoring the less scary looking ones that do the same thing.
     
  10. darksithpro thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    It only takes a few seconds to reload another magazine.
     
  11. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020

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    I believe non-criminal, mentally stable, mature people should have the right to own a gun, including semi-automatics, but I don’t really see why an AR-15 is necessary. I can understand both sides so am pretty ambivalent on the so called “assualt weapons” especially since statistically related deaths are pretty low and people will use other weapons.

    This bill isn’t going to pass, obviously. I imagine the political game here is first to convolute assault weapons and semi-automatics. Secondly, the Republicans will oppose it, therefore Democrats can profess outrage saying “you don’t want to oppose assault rifles and you don’t care about dead kids” and then use this in the midterms.

    The Democrats know this bill isn’t going to pass, it’s just politics. But Republicans however need to put forward gun control legislation themselves, be willing to work with Democrats, and not just sweep this under the rug. At the same time Democrats are just virtue signaling here which isn’t going to solve anything.

    [I don’t associate myself with either party]
     
  12. darksithpro thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    If it means anything, I've gained some respect for you.
     
  13. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020

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    Everyone on the right here thinks I’m on the left. Everyone on the left here thinks I’m on the right.

    I’m also ambidextrous.
     
  14. darksithpro thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Perhaps you're just a non-partisan deep thinker, as your avatar portrays.;)
     
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    Let's assume you cannot *legally* buy a gun that accepts more than 10 rounds of ammunition anymore.

    So how soon will people start modifying guns or building their own ammunition feeders?

    I understand making a law to prevent more than 10 rounds at a time. It sounds nice in theory.

    But this kid went into that school to commit murder. He's not following ANY laws.
     
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    Look - I don't know if the bill is good or bad per se - but it's something right now. As for the number - I would say the answer is simple - whoever draws up the bill and gets it passed. The number certainly isn't "unlimited"
     
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    Doesn’t this apply to basically all pistols except for revolvers?
     
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    True, but those few seconds can be the time it takes someone to get away from the shooter, or give someone the opportunity to overpower the shooter and get the gun away from them. This bill wouldn’t stop mass shootings but it would lower the body count.
     
  19. darksithpro thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    We both know for certain this bill will never pass in this time period. It's a partisan play by the Dems.
     
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    So why have laws against murder in the first place if murderers ignore them?
     
  21. darksithpro thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    To restrict law-abiding citizens, while the criminals and insane run a muck.
     
  22. Michael Scrip macrumors 603

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    Good point. Can of worms... opened.

    Now let's take the absurdity in the other direction.

    I can kill a man with my bare hands. Does that mean hands should be illegal?

    If I push someone down the stairs and they crack their head open and bleed out... should gravity and stairs be illegal? :p
     
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    Fortunately, this bill has zero chance of passing much less getting through the Senate and signed by President Trump.
     
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    A common approach in any negotiations, is you start from where you wish to end up, and eventually meet in the middle in compromise. You don't start negotiations from the opposing sides wish list, you start from yours, and hope to meet in the middle. The real trick will be if there is any compromise, or even an attempt to negotiate a bill that will be acceptable by two sides for now.

    What's more important is that at least someone is trying to do something, because our present course of inaction is costing too many lives.
     
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    So any effort the Dems or Repubs make would be seen as a partisan play by the opposite party. Is that another way to say that nothing should be done?
     

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