Here we go again. Video games are to blame, again.

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  1. JayMysterio macrumors 6502a

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    One of my biggest pet peeves with any discussion involving guns, is that basically guns aren't discussed. Instead there's a lot of deflection, and lots of blame on anything else but. Well, this administration has shown it isn't big on any new ideas, and once again they're proving it with their blame game. So when one Kentucky governor trotted out the old video games are to blame for all things violent, it wasn't long before 45 had a flashback & jumped on that bandwagon.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/us/politics/trump-video-games-shootings.html

    Emphasis is mine, because we've learned that when 45 spouts 'he's heard people', you know he's making stuff up. So what's the punchline on this tired blame game? We'll it seems the white house announced that 45 was meeting with the heads of the video game industry ( whoever they may be ) to discuss things.

    https://kotaku.com/white-house-says-trump-will-meet-with-members-of-the-vi-1823437500

    Problem?

    In other words?

    SMH
     
  2. duffman9000 macrumors 68000

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    You should have expected this. The kids listening to the rap music will be blamed next.
     
  3. JayMysterio thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Too late, the 'rap industry' has already been called out.
     
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    It's a nonsense deflection caused by one factor and one factor alone.

    The video game industry doesn't give Trump enough "campaign money".
     
  5. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816

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    Trump, like Kentucky's governor, is a dolt. Why the republicans ever got behind this moron is a real head scratcher. Even Jeb! would have been better.
     
  6. mac_in_tosh macrumors 6502

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    It's not unreasonable to me that kids who are inundated with violent images become somewhat desensitized to it all. It would seem that in a civilized society people should be shocked by what is shown in movies, but that's not the usual reaction, which includes cheering or laughing. I don't know how much of a factor video games are, but I don't think they are without any influence.

    As for the ESA's statement that "the same video games played in the US are played worldwide; however, the level of gun violence is exponentially higher in the US than in other countries." This could be due in part to the greater availability of guns in the US.
     
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    Trump has rolled the Conservative party back three decades. Pretty soon, there won’t be a Conservative party, it will be the regressive party.
     
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    Already happened since he took office IMO. Just look what he's done to all those government agencies.
     
  9. Plutonius macrumors 604

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    The truth hurts although it isn't just video games :).

    They should also eliminate the gun culture from TV / Hollywood.

    We need an all around strategy to combat gun violence and eliminating most guns from computer games, TV, and movies should be one facet of that. I believe that to argue for gun control and to ignore the gun culture in computer games, TV, and movies is hypocritical.
     
  10. Zwopple macrumors regular

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    I dunno everywhere else in the world has the same games and tv/movies but no gun problem. It's pretty obvious that the problem is guns and absolutely nothing else.
     
  11. Plutonius macrumors 604

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    Maybe because the other countries don't have guns.

    We have guns and that is not going away. The gun culture in video games, movies, and TV desensitizes people to gun violence. We need a comprehensive strategy to reduce gun violence including gun laws and eliminating the gun culture in video games, TV, and movies. Anything less is hypocritical.
     
  12. Fugabutacus macrumors regular

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    Gun violence is rampant in movies, it’s disgusting. Why shouldn’t we be concerned about kids seeing it? It’s not like it’s even there to serve the plot, you get gratuitious shots that are there for no reason other than a cheap thrill for the audience, but what’s the lasting damage to the kids in the audience? They’ll soak up these messages. And then what? In 20 years? 50 Years?

    I mean this isn’t the 1880s anymore this is 1903 and any responsible movie theater will simply ban The Great Train Robbery.

    Couldn’t resist.
     
  13. The-Real-Deal82 macrumors 604

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    Perhaps Americans who own guns should be banned from buying violent video games and watching violent films instead? After all every other country that plays them doesn’t have dozens of mass shootings and kids being murdered in their classrooms.

    Or blaming video games is complete tripe and a deflection to the real issue???
     
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    The thing that gets me is the liberal celebrities touting gun control, whilst they make millions off films, using said weapons. It's easy to sell fake violence for a quick buck, then play the political canary when **** happens in real life. Take this Clooney guy, he donated 500k for "March For Our Lives" event, yet he's made hundreds of millions playing a gun toting action hero/villain in dozens of movies. You can see here: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/George_Clooney all the firearms he's used in the movies. That's like a WWE wrestler saying real professional wrestling should be banned, because people could get seriously hurt, or die.
     
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    Like responsible gun owners though, what about all the responsible gamers and movie watchers all over the world who don’t go out and find any means necessary to commit mass murder?

    You want to reduce entertainment in media just because one country can’t differentiate between watching fiction and turning it into reality because they also own a firearm? Yeah, thanks for that, we’ll all fit in to accommodate the feeble minded aggressors.
     
  16. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    This might be difficult to comprehend, but the display of action in a fictionalized account doesn't mean advocating the same action in real life. If that were so, the white nationalist borderline Neo-Nazis would have been summarily executed months ago given all the films that have come out where Nazis get their heads blown off.

    Video games aren't the reason people go shooting up places. Mass shootings have occurred long before violent video games arrived onto the market.
     
  17. Fugabutacus macrumors regular

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    Violence in fiction is thousands of years old so if we can change that we can change a 220 year old piece of paper.
     
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    Perhaps not directly, but it can glorify firearms. Just like how the Fast And The Furious franchise glorified street racing. You can not accept one as true and disregard another as not.

    https://teendrivingblog.wordpress.c...d-furious-leads-to-more-street-racing-deaths/

    Fast and Furious leads to more street racing deaths
    Posted by lapearce on April 6, 2009

    Fast and Furious raked in 72.5 million at the box office opening weekend. This is the best opening any film has ever had in April, and is true summer blockbuster-level earnings. It also means that over 10 million impressionable young minds were reminded this weekend about how cool street racing is.

    I’m typically not one of those people who blames music for school shootings, or what not. however, there is a direct correlation between street racing incidences and Fast and Furious movies. According to Michael Bender, author of the new book The Fast, The Fraudulent; The Fatal: The Dangerous and Dark side of Illegal Street Racing, Drifting and Modified Cars” The opening of the original Fast and the Furious in 2001 doubled the number of deaths associated with street racing:

    “In 2001, the first “Fast and the Furious” movie was released and at least 135 people died in accidents from possible races; almost double that from the prior year. Many other statistics support the claim that these kinds of movies only exacerbate the problem, instead of taking steps towards its solution.”

    California has been more active than any other state in trying to prevent street racing. If someone is killed in a street race, the racers can be tried for murder. If caught street racing your license can be removed and your car crushed.

    But is it working?

    According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, street racing deaths are on the rise, and the state with the highest number of deaths if California.

    So what is the solution? The reactionary defense we have now of punishing street racing after it happens doesn’t seem to be working. Unless we can prove to kids that cars become more dangerous at high speeds, unfortunately, I think the way most of them will learn is when they are effected personally by a street racing tragedy, whether it be to them or to a friend.

    Let us commemorate those killed recently due to this dangerous activity:

    Cynthia Furr, her two-year-old daughter, and the 13 year old Hunter Holt, killed when a racing Eclipse slammed into Cynthia’s Mercedes on Sunday.

    A 19-year-old mother was killed when she was racing another car with her infant and five other children in her car on Sunday.

    Father and son killed when a racing truck hit their compact

    Alexandria Drake was killed as the passanger of a car that lost control while racing. She was 25.

    Founder of clothing line, TapouT, killed while he raced a Porsche with his Ferrari. His girlfriend was also critically injured. The man he was racing now faces murder and DUI charges.

    This is just scratching the surface of incidences in the past week alone.

    If you have a teenager who will be seeing Fast and Furious, or has seen any of these films, take them aside and spend a minute explainging the horor behind the hollywood glamorization of street racing.
     
  19. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    No, it didn't. The media latches onto such BS like that. Street racing has been around forever. There have been dozens of films glorifying street racing before Fast and the Furious came along. Keep bringing up random stuff, though.

    That's also dated 2009. The first film came out nearly a decade prior to that.
     
  20. darksithpro macrumors 6502a

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    That article also mentions that.
     
  21. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    Did you miss the part where I said street races have been around for a very long time? There's a road the city over that's pretty famous in the area for having had street races since the 1920s. Street racing is ingrained into American culture as much as hot dogs are.
     
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    Did you miss the part where the article said: “In 2001, the first “Fast and the Furious” movie was released and at least 135 people died in accidents from possible races; almost double that from the prior year. Many other statistics support the claim that these kinds of movies only exacerbate the problem, instead of taking steps towards its solution.”???
     
  23. Zenithal macrumors 604

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    Again, your point? You're providing 2 sets of data. Where's the data for the decade prior and then some? More guns were sold in 2017 than in 2016, but there were less shootings in 2017 than in 2016. Correlation doesn't imply causation.

    And if you're old enough, you'll know the statistic for 2001 was complete and utter ********. Considering far better street racing films had come out in years prior back to the 1950s! Clooney has made a few films where they rob a casino or bank. Thus casino and bank robberies are a direct result of those movies?
     
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    This all sounds like a very desperate and convenient way to deflect attention away from gun restrictions to me. Are you saying Americans can’t handle owning guns and seeing fictional violence but cultures like Canada with lots of guns can?

    Why do you guys have so much gun violence yet are exposed to the same fictional media to the rest of us?
     

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