Hero Bracelets

stubeeef

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Just curious, has anyone visited the site for Hero Bracelets, or ordered or thought of ordering one? There is a link in my signature.

I have been helping the creator get pentagon contacts, some are working so far so good. Maybe someone here may have some as well. He is trying to get 2 bracelets to each family.

I donated $100.00 so that troops could get some for fallen comrades and friends. Some leaders have ordered one for every person in their company for their fallen members.

I have 2 bracelets, custom ordered, 1 for Cpl Patrick D. Tillman , and the other which I'm wearing now is for Sgt Rafael Peralta .

Please visit the site and explore, and consider helping these families.

I am proud of the fact that this is not a partison issue, that far left to far right have supported our troops, and thank you for reading this.

Any personal stories are welcome.

Edit: As a side note, you can also get one for anyone who has fallen in combat for the US. I think he is working on WWI & II as well as Korea but has the database for Vietnam vets from virtualwall.org. If you have a loved one you would like to remember in this way, or old friend.
 

wdlove

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This is a very admirable think that you are doing for the troops. I remember this being done for the POW's during Vietnam. It should be a nonpartisan group, after all the troops are fighting for all of our freedom. Thank you for your service in this lofty matter.
 

skunk

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wdlove said:
It should be a nonpartisan group, after all the troops are fighting for all of our freedom.
Oh are they? In what sense?

I don't mean to tread on any sensitive corns, but that blithe assertion cannot go unremarked upon. The words "red", "rag", and "bull" spring to mind. Especially "bull".

Of course this may now end up in P&W.... :rolleyes:
 

stubeeef

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The guy that started Hero Bracelets is a Mac User too! He has an advertising company centered on Branding if I remember right.

This has zero to do with republican democrat socialist communist or independant. It is soley to honor our military who have died in service to the United States of America. Those families can be far left W haters or john birch types in matters not.

I have had a number of conversations with him, and tried to spend some time in volunteer service on a 3 day trip to San Antonio. Nothing in our conversations has had anything to do with politics.

wdlove is a veteran, I am a veteran, and by diffenition military service is for the protection of the country it represents, It can also be used for colonialism as well as other desires of the state.

No matter how you view this war or Vietnam, the military member is serving their country, sometimes with their lives.

I invite you to read my link to sgt peralta above, or other links provided.

Thankyou for your posts.
 

skunk

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Look, Stu, I don't disagree that those who find themselves in the front line in this dirty war are in need of support, and giving such support is laudable, but I cannot agree with wdlove's statement, is all. In my view, your hapless troops - and ours - are being misused in an illegal and dangerous adventure dreamed up by greedy and unprincipled armchair warriors to ends with which I cannot agree. This has nothing to do with our "freedom".

I'm sorry to derail an otherwise sound topic...

Nice self-portrait, btw :)
 

mslifkin

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Thanks for the link

I just ordered two. The story about Sgt. Peralta was absolutely incredible! He is truly a hero. Thanks again.

Regards,
Marc
 

diamond geezer

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skunk said:
Oh are they? In what sense?

I don't mean to tread on any sensitive corns, but that blithe assertion cannot go unremarked upon. The words "red", "rag", and "bull" spring to mind. Especially "bull".

Of course this may now end up in P&W.... :rolleyes:
I'm sure the NAZIs thought they were "defending their freedoms" when they invaded Poland.

Vomit inducing propaganda.
 

zimv20

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i'm just thankful that we're putting our time and energy into thanking and supporting the real heroes, and not those bozo cops and firemen.

</sarcasm>
 

IJ Reilly

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Wading into these waters with great trepidation... I often wonder at what point we will overdose on these symbolic honoraria. Shortly we will be in need of a "I support everything good, brave, decent, sacrificial, patriotic and honorable" lapel pin, ribbon and bumper sticker -- or risk the certain humiliation of being thought of as being opposed to any one or all of these qualities.
 

blackfox

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I am somewhat conflicted here...

One one hand, I tend to reflect IJ's position (as I interpreted his post) in that this kind of stuff (bracelets,ribbons, bumber-stickers) can reinforce to shallowest of commitments and understandings of people and issues in need of understanding and genuine assistance. This can inadvertantly cause a lack of real effort in understnding the realities of these kind of situations, or how we arrived at them, as well as be potentially divisive (as one NOT having a ribbon/badge/bracelet may be made out to be un-patriotic for the most inane reason). I tend to thing these kind of things don't mix well with marketing/capitalism.

OTOH, I don't doubt that the creator of this site/bracelet has the best of intentions, or that he/she is on the up-and-up. I also don't blame him/her for anything I listed in the above paragraph. I have no doubt that our soldiers, and those of our allies have been courageous and heroic in situations they do not make for themselves. I have nothing but respect for their actions, by-and-large, and for their sacrifice. I think that goverment policy towards them and their families has been poor-to-despicable personally, and am glad to see someone/thing fill the void. As such, I will be sure to check out the site more thouroughly aand make a commensurate donation next week (whwn I get paid).

Thankyou for the link Stu, I would never have known about this otherwise. It is a worthy thing to know about. I will pass the word.
 

LeeTom

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I actually don't care one way or another about Hero Bracelets and what the meaning is, yadda yadda. I just don't care at all.

BUT, that being said.. they're pretty cool looking, and I think I'm going to get one with my name engraved on it and my birthdate... just figuring out what rank I want to be. Maybe Skipper?

Lee Tom
 

stubeeef

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skunk said:
Look, Stu, I don't disagree that those who find themselves in the front line in this dirty war are in need of support, and giving such support is laudable, but I cannot agree with wdlove's statement, is all. In my view, your hapless troops - and ours - are being misused in an illegal and dangerous adventure dreamed up by greedy and unprincipled armchair warriors to ends with which I cannot agree. This has nothing to do with our "freedom".

I'm sorry to derail an otherwise sound topic...

Nice self-portrait, btw :)
Thanks for making the non-political political. Only this group can find every imaginable way to b1tch about the middle east and every single thing about the present administration. It is why I and many others are sick of the political forum. Please take this "issue" and find a way to darken it and make it ugly. everyone enjoy, like sharks in a fish tank, only thank the lord they are contained in this fish tank.

Wading into these waters with great trepidation... I often wonder at what point we will overdose on these symbolic honoraria. Shortly we will be in need of a "I support everything good, brave, decent, sacrificial, patriotic and honorable" lapel pin, ribbon and bumper sticker -- or risk the certain humiliation of being thought of as being opposed to any one or all of these qualities.
Bet you wouldn't say that about AIDS ribbons, I know I wouldn't, or symbols to remind us about others suffering and courage. Just freely admit anything that resembles something NOT left wing rant, you probably would find fault in.

You folks make me actually ill, I have been so much happier since I left this dark, wet, stanky forum. I am sure that no one will turn on the lights here, then everyone would run for cover.

tHEiDoNTTHinkYoUHAveaCLueaboutANyTHIngofthePANTYPEEPEEPEOPLE
 

stubeeef

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skunk said:
What about conscientious objectors? Are there many in the States? They're heroes, too.
Great, get off your duff and make and market bracelets for them.
 

stubeeef

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blackfox said:
I am somewhat conflicted here...

One one hand, I tend to reflect IJ's position (as I interpreted his post) in that this kind of stuff (bracelets,ribbons, bumber-stickers) can reinforce to shallowest of commitments and understandings of people and issues in need of understanding and genuine assistance. This can inadvertantly cause a lack of real effort in understnding the realities of these kind of situations, or how we arrived at them, as well as be potentially divisive (as one NOT having a ribbon/badge/bracelet may be made out to be un-patriotic for the most inane reason). I tend to thing these kind of things don't mix well with marketing/capitalism.

OTOH, I don't doubt that the creator of this site/bracelet has the best of intentions, or that he/she is on the up-and-up. I also don't blame him/her for anything I listed in the above paragraph. I have no doubt that our soldiers, and those of our allies have been courageous and heroic in situations they do not make for themselves. I have nothing but respect for their actions, by-and-large, and for their sacrifice. I think that goverment policy towards them and their families has been poor-to-despicable personally, and am glad to see someone/thing fill the void. As such, I will be sure to check out the site more thouroughly aand make a commensurate donation next week (whwn I get paid).

Thankyou for the link Stu, I would never have known about this otherwise. It is a worthy thing to know about. I will pass the word.

Dr Spock, Dr Phil, or Dr Frazier Crane?
 

stubeeef

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mslifkin said:
I just ordered two. The story about Sgt. Peralta was absolutely incredible! He is truly a hero. Thanks again.

Regards,
Marc
Careful, you have exposed yourself.

edit: btw there is more, just google
 

IJ Reilly

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stubeeef said:
Bet you wouldn't say that about AIDS ribbons, I know I wouldn't, or symbols to remind us about others suffering and courage. Just freely admit anything that resembles something NOT left wing rant, you probably would find fault in.

You folks make me actually ill, I have been so much happier since I left this dark, wet, stanky forum. I am sure that no one will turn on the lights here, then everyone would run for cover.

tHEiDoNTTHinkYoUHAveaCLueaboutANyTHIngofthePANTYPEEPEEPEOPLE
Bet you would be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time. I don't make any of these symbolic gestures for precisely the reasons I stated. Maybe you should have thought about that before you decided to vomit all over the place.
 

mactastic

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Yeah it's not like anyone from 'outside this group' has taken an otherwise non-political post and turned it political. How many gay threads have been pushed into P&W by people from 'outside this group'? Gun control? Religion? SUVs?

Yeah yeah it's only people from 'inside this group' who are ever guilty of politicizing things. For Christ's sake, I posted a thread about how sucky it was that the guys who honor-raped some girl got out of jail and IT got politicized by 'you guys from outside this group'. Puhleeze. Get off your high horse and step into the real world.

And FWIW, I actually think these hero bracelets are a good idea.
 

Lyle

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IJ Reilly said:
I often wonder at what point we will overdose on these symbolic honoraria. Shortly we will be in need of a "I support everything good, brave, decent, sacrificial, patriotic and honorable" lapel pin, ribbon and bumper sticker -- or risk the certain humiliation of being thought of as being opposed to any one or all of these qualities.
stubeef said:
Bet you wouldn't say that about AIDS ribbons, I know I wouldn't, or symbols to remind us about others suffering and courage. Just freely admit anything that resembles something NOT left wing rant, you probably would find fault in.
IJ Reilly said:
Bet you would be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time. I don't make any of these symbolic gestures for precisely the reasons I stated.
At the risk of being struck by lightning, I have to say that I agree with IJ on this -- although I would point out that at no point in his original posts did stubeef even remotely suggest that if you didn't buy one of these bracelets, that you were a bad, cowardly, indecent, unpatriotic or dishonorable person. The thread started out with what I thought was a positive message, was dragged into the mud by some unfortunate responses, and Stu chose to take the bait.

Having said that, there is sometimes social pressure to jump on the bandwagon with these kinds of symbolic gestures, whether it's showing support for the troops or support for those suffering from AIDS. At some point after the September 11th attacks and during the build-up to the Iraq war, a close relative of mine bought a bunch of those little American flag lapel pins and gave me one of them as a gift. While I appreciate it, and I believe that he sincerely sees this as one way to demonstrate his patriotism, I've never worn mine. I loved my country before 9/11, and I still love it; but I didn't wear a lapel pin before 9/11, and I'm not going to do it now for what would (for me) be a fashion statement.

For further reference, see the classic Seinfeld episode "The Sponge". ;)
 

LeeTom

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Yeah, that's why I ordered one with my name on it. Pure fashion.

Lee Tom
 

IJ Reilly

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Lyle said:
At the risk of being struck by lightning, I have to say that I agree with IJ on this -- although I would point out that at no point in his original posts did stubeef even remotely suggest that if you didn't buy one of these bracelets, that you were a bad, cowardly, indecent, unpatriotic or dishonorable person. The thread started out with what I thought was a positive message, was dragged into the mud by some unfortunate responses, and Stu chose to take the bait.
We've already been struck by lightening -- twice this week! ;)

For the record, I wasn't baiting stu. It was entirely his choice to be "sickened" by the mere suggestion that perhaps we're overdosing in symbols to the point where they've become so many empty gestures. Ever since the lapel pin/ribbon fad began a few years ago, I've wondered what it really means to display one, and even more to the point, what it means to not display one. If the choice to display one has meaning, surely the choice not to display one does as well.
 

Applespider

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Part of the trouble with lapel pins, ribbons and bracelets is identifying what they all mean.

I know a red ribbon is AIDS, a pink ribbon is breast cancer and a yellow bracelet is a Lance Armstrong bracelet - the others :confused:

There's a guy sitting near me in the office who has a blue bracelet and a black/white intertwined one. I can guess the latter but I have no idea on the blue one. If I bought a bracelet with pink stones would that mean I was supporting breast cancer all of a sudden? Or would I have to find a pink bracelet for a reason.

If you feel strongly about something, or know someone affected by it, then feel free to wear any symbol you like. But there are so many different things out there now, that I don't think you can define anyone by what they dont wear.
 

Lyle

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IJ Reilly said:
For the record, I wasn't baiting stu.
Apologies; I didn't mean to imply that you were the one baiting him. I think Stu was correct in saying that sometimes people (from both ends of the political spectrum) can make desperate leaps to turn something positive and ostensibly nonpartisan into something "dark and ugly", and that's what I saw in some of the earlier posts in this thread.

IJ Reilly said:
It was entirely his choice to be "sickened" by the mere suggestion that perhaps we're overdosing in symbols to the point where they've become so many empty gestures. Ever since the lapel pin/ribbon fad began a few years ago, I've wondered what it really means to display one, and even more to the point, what it means to not display one. If the choice to display one has meaning, surely the choice not to display one does as well.
Yes, agreed. Good grief, you're scaring me. ;)
 

Lyle

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Applespider said:
Part of the trouble with lapel pins, ribbons and bracelets is identifying what they all mean.
Now, the Star-Belly Sneetches
Had bellies with stars.
The Plain-Belly Sneetches
Had none upon thars.
 

takao

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boy i can't even imagine what strange looks i might get, if i would a ribbon/pin....

and isn't it a little bit early to throw the "war hero" thing around (especially if there is no war anyways... right ;) )...

those people celebrating 'our war heros' here are rather dubious .. luckily we don't have to see veteran assemblies ... the last 'successfull' war has been quite some time ;)