Canon has an apple-like slip up: http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/genhtml_photo/delphotokit_EOS20D.dcr.html This isn't released yet, but they exposed pics and some specs. 8.2mp and 5fps. $1600 list price. Not a bad camera... except it's a canon... and i'm sponosored by Nikon. Interesting machine though...That lens could be a killer... 17-85 with USM and Image Stabilization. But why, oh why, does canon give lenses in this range (mid-grade consumer) such high minimum apertures? f4.0-5.6 isn't enough to do ANY kinda of low light properly. Kinda sucky. At this rate, Nikon's 18-70 3.5-4.5 is a better deal. I guess we'll just have to see what happens with this cam--expect announcement tomorrow.