High Sierra GM slow, and takes up more space.

Discussion in 'macOS High Sierra (10.13)' started by robeddie, Sep 18, 2017.

  1. robeddie Suspended

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    Ok, I'm posting this because I witnessed exactly the opposite result of installing High Sierra that I was expecting, and wanted to see how many others may have experienced the same issues.

    Once I upgraded my 2tb SSD with High Sierra GM (from 10.12.6 Sierra) from a cold boot the startup time went from 27 seconds in Sierra to 44 seconds in High Sierra. The progress bar seems to stall for quite a while around 2/3 the way through, then finally progresses.

    Equally concerning, everything I heard was that after the High Sierra install, I should see some space (maybe not lot but some) freed up. Quite to the contrary, right before installing high sierra I had 465.61 GB used on that partition. AFTER the install of high sierra GM, there was 482.56 GB used. So just by installing High Sierra I LOST around 17 GIGS!!!!

    And yes, it did update the file system from HFS to APFS.

    Anyone see this with their installs? And if so, anyone have an explanation (or better yet a solution?).
     
  2. kissmo macrumors 6502a

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    I noticed exactly the same on the GMBoot time is longer, Many glitches especially in Safari - sometimes swipe back to previous page doesn't work.

    I use Time Machine and it creates a lot of Local Snapshots which takes up space. - You cannot even disable with sudo tmutil disablelocal - since apple removed the functionality.
    When I installed it - I gained a few Gigs, however after 1 day I started loosing around 4 Gigs out of nowhere.

    I do hope they will have some updates to this GM since it's not even close to a nice release.
    Under the hood improvements?.... well. I sure hope they are not ready yet - at least from my part.

    Note - I used GM on:
    iMac mid 2011 - 27 inch
    rMBP mid 2012 - 15 inch
    rMBP 2015 - 13 inch

    All of the devices show slowness, higher disk usage and they have glitches every now and then.

    I pray today Apple release a second GM candidate with fixes...
     
  3. Super Xander macrumors regular

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    Notes the same on my 2016 MBP with Touch Bar, very slow boot up. I must say that the animations are a lot more smooth, but the overall experience with the system expect Safari is slower.

    What about Power Nap? When my MacBook has been on Power Nap in more than 5 hours it turns close to down, what is that about? Does yours do the same?
     
  4. hashir macrumors newbie

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    I have Mac Pro 2013 i7 core 2.7 - gm hsierra is fast , safari is snappier, works well -- only thing I find is shutdown time - more - black serene stays for long - I don't have see if it going be smooth
     
  5. robeddie, Sep 21, 2017
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    Thanks for the replies.

    I rolled my main drive back to Sierra and intend to stay there for quite a while. The usual small bugs and incompatabilities that a new OS often brings is one thing, but that ... combined with a clear decrease in speed (at least with bootup times) and efficiency (lot's more used hard drive space) is unacceptable.

    ESPECIALLY when Apple touts speed and space efficiencies as two of the benefits of High Sierra!

    Thanks, I'll pass.

    And here's what really irks me: Since Apple now insists on an annual release schedule of new OS's, by this time next year, when High Sierra is at 12.13.5 or so and starting to shape up and work really well, they'll release 12.14, and break things all over again.
     
  6. ashleykaryl macrumors regular

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    I'm also not 100% convinced by High Sierra at this stage. The amount of available space on the drive appears to be less, though it weirdly fluctuates, even when there is no activity. Apart from copy paste it feels slower or at best no better than Sierra. This is APFS on a mid 2010 Mac Pro. No doubt Apple will fix this, but it may take a few months.
     
  7. ke-iron macrumors 65816

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    I can confirm it is slower on my 2017 MacBook Pro with Touch Bar. The boot up and logging in is pinch slower. I also noticed waking my computer from sleep is also a pinch slower. It was more responsive before when I opened the lid and the screen immediately turned on and Touch ID was ready to login. Now I have to wait like a solid second or two. I only installed High Sierra on the GM candidate because I thought it was a good idea and it would be the final release, but I don't think it is. Even Siri hasn't been upgraded to the newer natural voice and the feedback assistant is still there. I think there will be a significant update coming out today.
     
  8. robeddie thread starter Suspended

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    Ok, but if a 'significant update' comes out today, then why on earth would they have called this last beta the Gold Master? Gold Master is supposed to mean this is the version they absolutely intend to release, barring some totally unexpected problems.
     
  9. kissmo macrumors 6502a

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    There are several problems with this GM release and I am experiencing them on 3 devices.
    Indeed - why on earth the last beta is called GM when it's still beta - at least from my experience with it.
     
  10. Steve121178 macrumors 601

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    So what? You stated that you had a 2TB disk.
     
  11. EugW macrumors 603

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    It's actually a GM candidate. You can have several GM candidates before final release. But in this case, it is at least very close to the final release version, since the release is today and we haven't had any other GM candidates. The release will either be this build (with minor changes to include a change of the build number), or else will be a very slightly later build that they didn't bother releasing as a GM candidate.
     
  12. robeddie, Sep 25, 2017
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    So I should think nothing of losing 17 gigs, which is about 3 times the actual install system os, because I have plenty of space to spare?
    First off, as I said , HS is touted as being more efficient with space. So the fact that its taking up so much more may be a sign of some significant flaw.

    Furthermore, I got a big drive because I want that extra space, not so it can be wasted on 17 extra gigs of absolutely nothing. You must be that guy who would blow almost all his lottery winnings the first year, thinking 'Im rich, I can waste money everywhere!'
     
  13. Steve121178 macrumors 601

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    Losing 17GB's wouldn't cause me sleepless nights. I always clean install anyway.
     
  14. robeddie thread starter Suspended

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    Yea, I got that from your first response.
     
  15. EugW macrumors 603

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    I think it might be just with his system. Certainly my clean install of High Sierra wasn't 17 GB more than a clean install of previous OSes.
     
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    Agreed. But what on earth would High Sierra be doing with the files on my drive such that it would result in so much extra space consumed? It's the first time I've seen anything like that in all my years of using macs, and EugW, you know I go back a long long way with Macs (1985 to be exact).
     
  17. Agent2015 macrumors 6502

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    Before you go off the deep end with macOS 10.13 GM you should try installing the final release of macOS 10.13 (build 17A365) to see if it might alleviate some of your issues. I have been running macOS 10.13 through all the betas and the GM on a 2017 MacBook Pro 15', 2011 MacBook Pro 17" (ssd) and a 2012 Mac mini (ssd) with excellent results. I am now installing the final on all three machines. In fact the GM candidate was very very smooth and responsive on all three machines. I expect the final to be the same. If not I'll report any anomalies.
     
  18. ke-iron macrumors 65816

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    I don’t know. Maybe you have an explanation and for why on the “GM” Siri wasn’t upgraded?
     
  19. JWreck macrumors member

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    What? I just got done installing and it looks like my storage consumption has been REDUCED by almost half of what it was. If this is the only benefit I get from the update, I'll be a happy camper since my 250gb SSD was nearly full (like, less than 10gb left).
     
  20. ke-iron macrumors 65816

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    Well my storage was less also, sounds amazing right. I navigate to about this Mac and clicked storage. My music library shrunk significantly. Launched iTunes to find out it deleted one of my subscribed podcasts completely. Lucky for me it’s still available on the iTunes Store and I can redownload it.
     
  21. JWreck macrumors member

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    That's interesting. I just went and looked at my photos and music. Photos are there. Music is all missing. It shows that it's all available for download but my music library is gone. Was fairly certain I had everything downloaded previously. Even the media location has all of the files missing. Going to parse through Time Machine backups to check history.
    --- Post Merged, Sep 25, 2017 ---
    Quick update: I guess I never re-downloaded my music to my MacBook Pro. Oh well, I'll do that at some point now that I have the space for it!
     
  22. EugW macrumors 603

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    I installed it on my iMac. Storage amount didn't change much. If anything, I gained about 1-2 GB from the install.
     
  23. bxk12 macrumors newbie

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    I signed up just to post about this. I have LOST 177GB and counting as of now. I am loosing more than 1GB an hour and now down to 30GB available on my 2016 MacBook Pro 15 1TB.

    I am so frustrated right now. My MacBook already ran like crap now its just straight garbage. Sad thing is, I can boot into my bootcamp and its super snappy WAY faster than my MacBook. Same applications etc. and Edge is KILLING safari in speed on my MacBook. I even did a clean install then pulled my backup in and it STILL is taking all my hard drive space. I thought it was suppose to be faster and take less space. That was a lie. Y'all watch your HDD space closely!!

    Also, I get different drive space readings through out my MacBook. Clean my Mac says 30GB. The about menu says 200GB. The Disk Utility says 50GB. and Daisy Disk says 40GB with 177GB of hidden. What the heck is going on here?!?!! I have the same issue on my iPhone as well. I have 20+ GB of "System" and about 4GB of images and its full too.

    Is Apple doing this on purpose???
    --- Post Merged, Oct 6, 2017 ---
    LMAO, while writing the above I lost another 10GB down to 20 GB now. Amazing.
     
  24. Weaselboy Moderator

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    Do you have Time Machine turned on? If so it keeps hidden, local snapshots that can pile up and use space like this.

    See this discussion and try the command in my post #2 in that thread.
     
  25. bxk12 macrumors newbie

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    Oh my god. You are a life saver. Thank you!!!! THIS IS THE SOLUTION.
     

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