High Sierra UI is 4x slower than El Cap

Discussion in 'macOS High Sierra (10.13)' started by dogslobber, Oct 29, 2017.

  1. dogslobber macrumors 68040

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    Here's the data to support that.

    El Cap:

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    High Sierra:

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  2. Mr. Retrofire macrumors 603

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    The data shows that you compared an old beta (debug version) of macOS 10.3.1 with a final version (non-debug version) of OS X 10.11.6.

    The test software does probably not support the newer, more efficient technologies and system frameworks in macOS 10.3 and newer.
     
  3. dogslobber thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Do you really think the numbers will be different once 10.13.1 is released next week?
    This sounds a bit vague and wishy washy on your part. Do you have any data to back up your claim?
     
  4. Ritsuka macrumors 6502a

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    Xbench has not been a valid benchmark for almost 10 years. Those numbers are meaningless.
     
  5. dogslobber thread starter macrumors 68040

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    No, they are totally meaningful. I mean, we're comparing a UI of a 2015 OS to a 2017 OS.
     
  6. Ritsuka macrumors 6502a

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    No they are not, because Xbench hasn't been updated since 2006. It could be just a bug when using an app compiled with such an old SDK on 10.13, or some weird things Xbench used to measure the performance that isn't working anymore.

    But Xbench source code is not available, and reverse engineered takes too much time.

    If the UI was really 4x times slower, it would be easy to see. Instead on my mac the UI feels faster, and it's not even using Metal.
     
  7. dogslobber thread starter macrumors 68040

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    You don't really understand the Metal API by the sounds of it. Your feelings are not measurable data. You need to offer data to back up your claims and disprove that presented.
     
  8. Mac Hammer Fan macrumors 6502a

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    Try running GeekBench. Metal and OpenCL were approx. 10% and 15% faster in Sierra than in El Capitan on my Mac Pro 5,1 6 core with a Geforce 980. But I am afraid of installing High Sierra at this moment. Too many horror stories.:eek:
     
  9. green86 macrumors 6502a

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    No they aren’t. Xbench really hasn’t been used in 10 years
     
  10. dogslobber thread starter macrumors 68040

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    Just saying so doesn’t add any validity to it.

    It quite surprising the number of people who are attempting to discredit the evidence. Fascinating but flawed.
     
  11. alien3dx macrumors 6502a

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    not upgrading either .. since mine platter base.
     
  12. DanGoh macrumors 6502

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    Thanks for posting this. I'm still running El Cap 10.11.6 on my 2013 MBPr and have contemplating updating but if I won't I have to sacrifice performance.
     
  13. Rok73 macrumors 65816

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    It's quite surprising that you post some pointless benchmarks made with ancient software and react extremely toxic to criticism.
     
  14. simonsi macrumors 601

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    Well I used EC and am using HS, no way am I waiting 4x as long for anything in the UI...
     
  15. ikir macrumors 65816

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    Just trolling. High Sierra is faster in 3D (OpenGL and Metal) than any other macOS, GUI is faster too. Metal is becoming super fast.
     
  16. xraydoc macrumors demi-god

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    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
    Do a similar benchmark in another (preferably modern) app and post those results. If H.S. is slower, then we'll believe. But until then...
     

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