High Sierra WTF

Discussion in 'macOS High Sierra (10.13)' started by MBX, Jun 5, 2017.

  1. MBX macrumors 68000

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    Damn they rushed through the little features fast. Barely anything new. I'm excited about the APFS for sure but wow nothing about better Siri integration, nothing about Dark Mode UI.

    I doubt we can expect any major features until fall release?
     
  2. redheeler, Jun 5, 2017
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    redheeler macrumors 604

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    Never seen this subforum so quiet after a major OS announcement. Refinement of a refinement (Sierra) of a refinement (El Capitan)...

    At least Safari is snappier and Apple didn't drop support for any more older Macs.
     
  3. adam9c1 macrumors 68000

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    They tried to be like a Leopard > Snow Leopard.
     
  4. sunapple macrumors 65816

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    So next to your iOS 11 WTF topic this has to be the next of course. Complaining is always the most popular thing to do, great if you're seeking attention.

    Isn't that already available?

    What more do you need exactly?
     
  5. Dwalls90 macrumors 601

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    This release was definitely more about behind-the-scenes improvements. Changing filesystems is a big deal.
     
  6. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    This. I am ok with that b.c I honestly experience bugs pretty often on Sierra. Just fix something before jumping to a new OS.
     
  7. redheeler macrumors 604

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    I think he's referring to a system-wide dark mode, not just for the menu bar and Dock or certain apps. Developers would of course need to support this in their apps, and I pretty much gave up hope and stopped expecting it with this release.
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    Apple File System is definitely the biggest feature of this OS. Even the OP mentioned that.
     
  8. imacken macrumors 65816

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    Does it install with APFS by default? Do we get a choice?
     
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    M5RahuL macrumors 68030

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    Don't care about the name .. I'm glad they're working on *behind the scenes* features, as opposed to just more eye candy!

    APFS is ' Optional ' at this point.
     
  10. pickaxe macrumors 6502a

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    lol what a complete joke. what is this "update"? I'd be ashamed to go up on stage and pitch this thinly-veiled point update.

    there's not a single new feature announced that isn't very trivial (APFS is already available and has been available for some time).

    no dark mode is total kick in the nuts.
     
  11. Sirious macrumors 65816

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    He kind of lowered our expectations by saying they were going to build on Sierra and refine it; but there was nothing appealing to me at all in High Sierra. Even the name is a joke.
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    Default file system from install.
     
  12. zooole macrumors newbie

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    If the UI is smooth, I'm totally fine. Right now it's much slower than W10, even on a new mac pro. iTunes animations a frequently laggy, like many windows while resizing.

    But yeah, the features I would've looked forward to are:

    - Improved Siri, merged with Spotlight.
    - UIKit (could've been possibly the biggest advancement)
    - Native window snapping

    Xcode 9 is about speed and fixing too, I don't think it's bad at all. If we will see the improvements I'm going to be very happy about this release.
     
  13. KALLT macrumors 601

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    I hope that WebRTC is optional, like WebGL. There are some privacy concerns due to IP leakage caused by existing WebRTC implementations in other browsers.

    Does anyone know whether Apple is switching users to case-sensitive APFS?
     
  14. Mr. Retrofire macrumors 603

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    The last filesystem change was with Mac OS 8.1 (January 1998), which supported HFS+ for the first time.
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    You can choose the conversion before you install High Sierra.
     
  15. zedsdead macrumors 68040

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    This isn't anything new:

    Leopard->Snow Leopard
    Lion->Mountain Lion->Mavericks (this took two generations to get stable b/c Lion was such a mess)
    Yosemite->El Capitan
    Sierra->High Sierra

    Snow Leopard is always the one mentioned simply because it had a long life cycle and was VERY refined. People forget the first several versions were very unstable like most other releases, but overall it was the best version of OS X for its time.
     
  16. Mr. Retrofire macrumors 603

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    The UI in DPs is usually a lot slower than in the final version. Do not expect to see Metal 2 improvements in the first DPs of High Sierra!
     
  17. KALLT macrumors 601

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    You can choose between case-sensitive/case-insensitive?
     
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    A full dark mode isn't that nice. It divided the Ubuntu community and now the OS is dead.
     
  19. Mr. Retrofire macrumors 603

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    ...and Apple uses the GCD (Grand Central Dispatch) API to optimize the performance of apps for their new 18-Core Xeon iMac Pro. GCD appeared first in Snow Leopard and Apple optimized apps for Snow Leopard via GCD.
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    Not at this time, only between HFS+ and APFS, if you install the OS on a HFS+ volume.
     
  20. KALLT macrumors 601

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    Nobody seems to know what happens when you do the conversion. I am really anxious to know whether Apple finally makes the switch to case-sensitivity.
     
  21. randian, Jun 5, 2017
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    randian macrumors 6502a

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    I already run case-sensitive HFS, so APFS will not be a problem. I assume you have to restore from a Time Machine backup to switch to APFS. It took years to get ZFS into perfect shape and APFS has some of the same features, so I shudder to think of the potential bugs lurking in APFS.
     
  22. dogslobber macrumors 68040

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    Craig says APFS is the Default for 10.13 but that implies you can still install to HFS+. I'll stick with that.
     
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    I don't know whether this was deliberate or not, but I see it as a nod to the High Sierra filesystem.
     
  24. zooole macrumors newbie

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    Nah, I will be patient, if it's stable, I will install a public beta for Xcode 9 but that's all. Although I don't know if Xcode betas have public releases or only dev ones (sorry, I know it's off topic).
     

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