Hillary and Russia

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    I have no problem with the Clinton Foundation having ties to Russia. I have a serious problem with the Trump campaign having ties to Russia.
     
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    Can you explain what the difference would be? Why is it ok for the Clintons but not for Trump. I'm not calling you out. I'm just curious.
     
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    Cause she gets a pass.
     
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    Oh, I see. That makes sense. All the Hillary supports seem to be ignoring this thread. I'm not surprised.
     
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    They don't want to face the truth.

    Can't wait for the next email dump.
     
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    Talking to a Hillary supporter about, well, anything truthful about her.
     
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    The Clinton Foundation is not working towards electing Clinton while the Trump campaign is. If you can't see that difference then you are blinded by your irrational hate.
     
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    He's not looking for a debate, he's looking for a pulpit.
     
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    This thing is growing legs by the way. I haven't seen the annoying whining of the Kahn's this morning, but people are starting to ask questions about this issue. One issue dies another one rises up, the later being far more important. Hillary and her conspiracy theories about Trump and Russia are looking rather dumb right now. At least some media outlets are starting ask about the Clinton Foundation. Hopefully this fraud of a candidate will be exposed for what she is. She's dangerous.
     
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    What are the ties?

    Even CNN doesn't present a compelling argument.
     
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    Funny how that works.
     
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    See I don't buy the argument that Hillary hasn't benefited from the millions of dollars donated to the Clinton foundation. One of Hillary's big talking points is the humanitarian work of the Clinton Foundation. The Charity is only as good as the money it has. Getting tens of millions from countries in a way is assuring her the ability to tout significant accomplishments. Proving exchange for favors or illegal intent is another story, but it all just proves suspicious in my skeptical mind.

    It's certainly an entirely different story than foreign countries directly sabataging an election, which of course if Trump colluded in, should have significant consequences. I'm not convinced of that yet though. But it appears there is/are some reason/s Russia wants him elected.
     
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    It would seem to me Russia would be more opposed to Clinton than supporting of Trump.

    Me thinks something is wrong with the "reset button".
     
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    did Russia contribute to the trump campaign? I haven't read that anywhere.
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    I don't hate anybody ninthinknits lrettybweak to claim that I am hateful just because I don't like your corrupt candidate.
     
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    As @skunk has already stated, I will not - in any way - pay a cent (or penny) towards a publication owned by Rupert Murdoch.

    Summarise the arguments - if arguments they are, rather than blind prejudice, or some sort of elastic concept of truth or distant relationship to proven facts - if you wish.
     
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    inwill not summarize the article. Then my summary will just be picked apart and dissected. No thanks. Read it and comment if you wish.
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    I'm sorry. I didn't know the article had to be paid for. It wasn't pay to view when I read it.
     
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    you can read WSJ free.
    -Copy the url on google, do a search.
    -Click on the result or the cached version.
    -Thank me.
     
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    It's an article by Peter Schweizer ("Clinton Cash") about the 2009 connection between Skolkovo (Russia's Silicon Valley), a Us-Russia Bilateral Commission on technology development led by Mrs. Clinton, and kickbacks to the Clinton Foundation by the Russian partners. The huge problem is that Skolkovo facility was for dual use development, meaning weapons development. Nobody in the State Department realized it after the project started, but the FBI noted this in an op-ed posted in 2014.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/b...oston-office-warns-businesses-of-venture.html

    Schweizer concludes with this:

     
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    All of this questions revolving around whether or not Trump is Putin's agent, Trump and Russia colluded about the DNC links, and Manafort's ties to pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine are really distractions from the central Russian issue.

    The central Russian issue is that Trump has proposed some pretty radical ideas about the tenants of American foreign policy for the last 76 years through accepting the Russian forcible annexation of Crimea and its commitment to defend NATO allies.

    These are pretty incredible policy decisions from someone who really hasn't shown any aptitude or interest in foreign affairs. As a result, we need to question why Trump is holding these positions, why they are in the national interest, what the impact on the American position in the broader world happens to be, and who are the stakeholders behind this radical pivot.

    I would welcome a discussion about the impact that the Clinton Foundation has had on the Democratic Platform rather than this distraction, which is a tit for tat about where foreign money ends up.
     
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    Is it related to this one?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...s-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

    For all we know, neither has the connection to Russia that's even remotely relevant to the DNC's current year-long problems (wasn't the DNC hacked some time ago, as was Hillary's private server?). Or both are, or she is but he is not, or he is and she is not. Right now, it's interesting how only "Trump is behind it" is being considered by folks when it's no more or less pure conjecture than any other possibility at this time.
     

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