I've already checked the Black Friday thread, and all the deals seem to relate to new activations, or phones on payment plans. I am looking to buy a phone outright (6S Plus 64GB). Does anyone know if Apple or any other retailer has offered a BF discount in the past for the full-priced phone? Also, if you buy a phone on a payment plan from Apple, can you pay the full 24 months up front? It seems like it is cheaper to get an iphone with applecare if you get it via payment plan, but I'd like to pay all upfront to get the Discover 10% cashback through Apple Pay.