Hollywood’s Loud Silence on Harvey Weinstein

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  1. Rogifan macrumors Core

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    And there's this one too:

    Harvey Weinstein Accused of Masturbating in Front of Female TV Reporter

    The alleged incident took place a decade ago in the hallway of New York City's Cafe Socialista restaurant, which was closed to the public that night. Weinstein had met reporter Lauren Sivan, a news anchor on local NYC cable channel News 12 Long Island, earlier in the night at Cipriani restaurant in Manhattan, where Weinstein was friends with the owner. Later in the evening, the group relocated to Socialista, a club in which Weinstein and Cipriani's owner, Giuseppe Cipriani, were investors.

    Once at the club, Sivan tells HuffPost, Weinstein invited her on a tour of the accompanying restaurant, Cafe Socialista, an offer she "reluctantly" agreed to. According to the report, Sivan told her friend accompanying her that if she was not back within 10 minutes, to come make sure she was OK.

    Weinstein led Sivan to the kitchen of the restaurant, which was closed at the time. There were two staffers in the kitchen, whom Weinstein excused, leaving him alone with Sivan in a small area just outside the kitchen. Sivan claims Weinstein then attempted to kiss her, at which point she pulled away and told Weinstein she had a boyfriend. Weinstein reportedly answered by saying, "Well, can you just stand there and shut up," then exposed himself, masturbated and quickly ejaculated into a nearby potted plant. He then zipped up his pants and exited through the kitchen.

    Sivan's friend, meanwhile, had attempted to check on her companion, as the agreed-upon 10-minute limit had expired. According to Sivan's accounts, her friend was stopped by security when she attempted to go downstairs from the club to check on Sivan. When the friend protested, she was allowed passage and met with Sivan and Weinstein just as they were exiting the kitchen. The duo exited the club abruptly, with Sivan immediately recounting the experience to her compatriot.

    Sivan claimed that Weinstein called for her at her office the next day to tell her he "had a great time last night." He then invited Sivan to reconvene with him when he returned from a trip abroad, to which she stated once more that she was in a relationship and ended the call. She claims she has had no further contact with Weinstein since the incident.



    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...masturbating-front-female-tv-reporter-1046792

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    ...pretty disgusting.

    Would be nice indeed if Hollywood commented more on this, if anything to show where they stand. He's done anyway. At least, HR, which could be considered biased, doesn't seem to mind reporting these stories and accusations.
     
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    Harvey is a huge force in Hollywood. I would not be shocked if people are afraid to get blacklisted for speaking up.
     
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    This sort of non reaction is why most people don't care what Hollywood elites say. If they can't condemn one of their own, why should I bother to listen when they piss and moan about someone else?
     
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    In a lot of ways this is why people don’t trust the police. They won’t call out their own for bad behavior.
     
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    There is a serious layer of power tied to quid pro quo in the entertainment industry, especially Hollywood.
    Until Hollywood power elite dump him, best of luck getting the truth.

    It is a crazy reality in Hollywood.
     
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    No doubt, there should be better oversight for the police.
     
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    Neither Nancy Pelosi nor Hillary Clinton are part of the entertainment industry. They are politicians. And while they certainly had occasion to meet Harvey Weinstein, the same is true of literally thousands of people in business, the law, the military, academia, sports, and religion. And there are individuals with unpleasant, harassing patterns of behavior in all those fields as well.

    We do not know whether or not either Pelosi or Clinton (or indeed any Democratic politician) were aware of Mr. Weinstein's behavior. It certainly may be possible, but it seems unlikely. It is not really the sort of gossip an aspiring female actress or assistant producer would pass on to a politician. Now that the allegations and financial settlements have been made public, it may - or may not - be appropriate for some politicians to make some sort of public statement.

    But frankly, I'm not really what the point would be. As a Democrat, I'm not sure I really ought to feel ashamed of something I had nothing to do with, and until this last week was completely unaware of. Why should a politician be different?

    A final note: The allegations regarding Mr. Weinstein were made possible by an extensive investigation by the New York Times. Journalists from that newspaper spoke to literally hundreds of people with knowledge of the situation. They scrupulously fact-checked the story that they printed, and confirmed details from multiple independent sources, as is their rule, before printing any allegation as fact. The offered both victims and alleged perpetrator the opportunity to comment and/or respond before going to press.

    That's what a free, independent, and unbiased press is supposed to do. Not with an agenda, to either protect or vilify an individual or institution, depending on their position on the political spectrum. But in an effort to fairly and impartially report the truth about significant events in our world.

    That is what we expect from our free press. It is the absolute antithesis of "fake news." And something that the current occupant of the Oval Office simply fails to understand.
     
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    It’s the same structure in politics. You want a bill passed you better scratch the proper backs in congress.
     
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    If you think that's bad - we had Jimmy Saville in the UK - massively popular (but always creepy IMHO) TV host. He was a child molester and necrophiliac. Turns out a hug amount of people knew, especially at the BBC, and was never reported.
     
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    I don't know - maybe they're not going to the media, but having been in the industry, my FB feed blew up with posts of disgust over him and his behavior.
     
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    By the way, all the late night talk show hosts have been avoiding this subject, for this reason:

    Remember, the producers (and likely the hosts too) of these shows have direct dealings with the Weinstein Company, especially in regards to booking of actors/actresses who starred in movies produced and/or distributed by the Weinstein Company. As such, for legal reasons Conan O'Brien, Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, Stephen Colbert, Seth Meyers, Trevor Noah, Bill Maher and John Oliver have been told NOT to discuss this subject on-air, since they could all become material witnesses in the case against Harvey Weinstein.
     
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    Harvey was a huge supporter of Democrats. Are they giving back the money he donated to them? You know if this was some well known person who donated to Republicans the media would be demanding every Republican politician speak out and return the donations they got.
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    Have any of them said this publicly? Because right now they’re just coming across as hypocritical partisan hacks.
     
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    I think because of the highly sensitive nature of the charges, don't expect the late-night talk show hosts to say anything on the advice of entertainment industry lawyers. The case against Weinstein could be huge and have profound effects across the movie industry.
     
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    This isn't a Hollywood thing, it's a power thing.


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    Yeah well, Lee Harvey Oswald was in the Marine Corps, and Hitler really liked dogs. But I don't think that's a reason for the Marines or dog owners to feel guilty about anything. Guilt-by-association only goes so far.

    Would returning someone's political contributions change anything? Would it make any of the victims of this harassment feel any better?

    Bill O'Reilly and Roger Ailes sexually harassed women. Can we expect Fox News viewers to unsee the thousands of hours of O'Reilly and other Fox News material they watched? Should they? Should Fox News viewers (not the producers) actively speak out against O'Reilly and Ailes? Admit they were wrong for having watched them?

    If there is a difference here, I'm not sure I understand what that might be.
     
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    And post saville both sides should have known better. These people are supposed to run the world for Christ sakes.
     
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    It's getting tiring hearing these constant attempts to prove how biased or hypocritical liberals or conservatives are. They all are. I could ask how much time Fox News spent discussing Roger Ailes' shenanigans. And Trump immediately hired the creep as a campaign advisor right after he left Fox.
     
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    There's perverts regardless of their political affiliation. I recommend you all to watch Spotlight. It has nothing to do with Hollywood, but goes to show the extent of cover ups and brushing issues under the rug.
     
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    I would never defend Fox News or any member of Team Trump. But I despise whataboutism. That’s what Trump supporters do 24/7 and it drives me nuts. Just because some conservatives can be hypocrites doesn’t mean liberals can’t be criticized for their silence over Harvey Weinstein.
     
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    Boom goes the dynamite.
     
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    The whataboutism argument only works if you're consistent on both sides.

    Personally, I think the (alleged) crimes this guy have committed are egregious. He should be denounced by people in his industry and that have benefited from his influence.

    As for returning the money... that should be strongly considered. It should definitely be done in situations where the philanthropist's crimes financially support the donations directly. That's not the case here, but on a matter of principle there is an argument for it.
     
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    If he was named Mohammed he would be getting a lot more attention today :p
     
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    But most people do tend to care what the Hollywood elites say. I think what you're doing is trying to rubbish their protests against Trump and feel you have found the answer.
     

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