Homeless veterans competing with illegals for government housing

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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    https://popularmilitary.com/homeles...RwKxsQv05fiA9gsHMIKw-wqp_UTA2sFHRMZx1UD5IbOiM
    we have some misguided priorities......
     
  2. The-Real-Deal82 macrumors 604

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    What happens if you’re an illegal immigrant awaiting asylum who has fought with Americans in one of the many wars they’ve started? Do you get a bit further up the queue?
     
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    This is republished editorial board piece from Colorado Springs' Gazette newspaper. (A further sign that "The Media" doesn't walk in lockstep.)

    And, let's be clear, the Gazette is owned by Clarity Media, the same company that owns and publishes the right-wing Washington Examiner, and once the now defunct The Weekly Standard. They're not exactly a bunch of bleeding heart liberals there.

    That said, the editorial makes a huge logical leap in assuming that the reason that 20 percent of veterans are homeless has anything to do with the availability of Housing Assistance programs. Such a dramatic non sequitur is not explored, and instead, the article pretends that Carson's proposal will affect veteran homelessness.

    We'll note that veteran homelessness has dropped 50 percent from 2010 to 2018, in part due to a program known as HUD-Veterans Affairs Supportive Housing, which began in 2012.

    And, we'll for now the fact that the reason "illegals" get housing assistance is because many families are mixed-status, which means while the head-of-household lacks legal status, other members of the family may be legal permanent residences or U.S. citizens, and so ultimately, the article is trying to tell you that if you kick a bunch of children to the curb, a few veterans might be able to stay in subsidized housing.

    Swapping veteran homelessness for child homelessness is exactly the kind of devil's deal the Trump administration would love to sell.

    Moreover, the Trump administration's 2020 budget for HUD includes a $8.7 billion cut, including a $73 million cut to disabled housing, a $34 million cut for elderly housing, and a $10 million cut to housing counseling assistance.

    And, this follows a long-term trend of budget cuts to HUD, which shrank from $83 billion in 1973 to $18 billion in 2012, in adjusted dollars.

    As the Center for Budget and Priorities noted, federal housing assistance has dipped far below need, dropping more than 13 percent alone in 2013 due to Obama-era budget priorities under Sequestration.

    So, rather than sending kids and their parents into the cold, so that some veterans can have housing assistance, let's just raise the budget to say 2011's levels, and give more funding to HUD-VASH.
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    No, you get deported.
     
  4. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    it's as easy as supply & demand..................
     
  5. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    No, but feel free to explain how market theory operates here with a federal program that's artificially limited by spending priorities limited under the 2011 sequestration.
     
  6. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    supply & demand at the state level......
     
  7. linuxcooldude macrumors 68020

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    Generally I would say no. If you are in a foreign military their contries decison to take part would be responsible for that decision dispite the reasons behind it.

    Now if you are a non U.S. citizen who joined the U.S. military already have a fast track as an immigrant and if you are entering illegally after leaving would be their fault for not doing it correctly.
     
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    Oh right, now I totally understand this lengthly explication now that you've removed four words and added four other other words.

    Again, the supply is artificially limited because it's part of federal program. If the demand drove this, you'd see more supply. Or, you see the "market price" of subsidized housing go up, but that would be in opposition to the entire point of subsidized housing.


    Simply put, some foreign militaries immediately grant citizenship upon completion of service. Others require some paperwork, but the U.S. system is a total mess currently and the Pentagon has put very little effort into making sure that non-citizens, including legal-permanent residents and unauthorized immigrants, are regularized during their service, or even when they receive their DD214. Coupled with recruiters lying about this, the usual paperwork SNAFUs, and the destruction of the MANVI and DACA programs under the Trump administration, and we have an increasing number of war veterans being deported, and not getting the help they need or the benefits they were promised.

    The Trump administration loves to use the military as a prop, but between the above and the fact that they're raiding military retirement accounts for the border wall, we see just exactly what the administration actually thinks about individual soldiers.
     
  9. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    demand is there, supply is short.
     
  10. Zenithal macrumors G3

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    I think it should be up to legal Mexican-Americans to guide the illegals back and let them know this type of behavior isn't okay. The government wastes too much time and money holding and deporting people.
     
  11. raqball macrumors 68000

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    "Homeless veterans competing with illegals for government housing"

    Hop a fence on Monday and by Friday living large!
     
  12. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    If you served in the United States Military then you should get automatic citizenship the day you show up for boot camp and keep it unless dishonorably discharged.
     
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    Except illegal immigrants don’t serve in the US military. You have to have a visa that allows you to work and have a SSN to join the US military. Yes there are a lot of noncitizens that serve, but they are here legally.
     
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    Is that because the United States view every service man or woman as a hero?
     
  15. linuxcooldude macrumors 68020

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    General I would say our system works, but submitting no paperwork does not grant you instant access to America.
     
  16. Herdfan macrumors 6502

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    Pretty much, yes.
     

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