Horchul wins in NY 26th - Thank you Paul Ryan

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  1. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Any chance the GOP can walk back their support for the Paul Ryan Medicare killing budget? It's going to be a long election cycle for them if they don't.
     
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    Scott Brown and Olympia Snowe already have pledged to vote against it when it gets to the Senate.

    The NY election and the moderates who are backing away from the Ryan budget should give the GOP pause.

    Then again, November 2012 is a very long way away. And voters have a memory span of a blue crab.
     
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    If the GOP manages to p*ss off seniors too, they're done for.
     
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    Looks like they already have. They are toast in the next election.
     
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    That's a huge win for the Dems. Not only has that district been red since forever, Republican interests spent over $1.5 million to try and win the seat. The Tea Party may have gained them control of the House but it will cost them dearly for years to come.
     
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    The Teapublicans just have to keep doing what they do best, and they'll be swept right out the door soon enough.
     
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    Now that the masses have been impoverished by Reagan's destruction of the US economy, you can be sure that any politician who votes to dismantle Social Security and Medicare will have no future.
     
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    I wonder if it will take two years again to come up with their own health care reform.

    Boy was that teabagger taking 9% of the vote brutal for the Republican...
     
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    I'm looking forward to the 2012 election. The stars are aligning nicely against the GOP. Aside from this good news:

    • Obama has settled the birth certificate idiocy,
    • he's going to enjoy the afterglow of getting bin Laden,
    • all the GOP's would-be candidates have lots of weak spots,
    • there are several indicators that jobs are starting to come back (the auto makers, Pratt & Whitney, etc., plus all their down-the-line suppliers),
    • and the Teapublicans are willingly embracing some pretty suicidal political positions. (I expect Ryan's efforts to "reform" Medicare will be met with the same enthusiasm as Bush's efforts to privatize Social Security.)
    So what have the Republicans got going for them...really?

    The only real stumbling block I see for Obama is his promise not to raise taxes on those making below $250k. I don't know how he's going to be able to keep that promise, if he truly wants to resolve the deficit.
     
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    The Republicans will help him keep that promise since they'll block any increase in taxes no matter how badly it's needed. It won't be good for the economy since we need tax increases to get rid of the deficit, but Obama can easily blame any economic harm on the republicans. Then for his next term he can raise taxes, and the economic benefits will probably outway any damages for democrats in 2016.
     
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    Yay! Demo-gauging issues! Yay, lying to the American people about what we can afford! Yay, socialism! Yay, deficits leading to debt leading to bankruptcy! Fleece the rich! Yay!
    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0511/Paul_call_me.html

    "I'm glad we won this race in New York," Bill Clinton can be seen saying in the video. "But I hope Democrats don't use it as an excuse to do nothing."
     
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    Nay! Death panels, Birthers, Gay Marriage. And you're accusing the Demcrat of demogauging the issues? Especially since Cain actually accused Hochul of voting against medicare?

    Nay. Seems to me another political party was the one telling the American people that they are going to cut taxes and conveniently neglecting to mention anything about the resulting cuts in services.

    Nay. the only aspect of our government providing true socialist government-run healthcare is the VA hospital. And you don't want them to shut that down, do you?

    Nay. See my comment above about cutting taxes and not cutting services. In fact, didn't we have a surplus before the year 2000? I still think that any cuts in taxes should be immediately offset by some sort of increase in revenue or cuts in services. But tax increases and service shutdowns don't so much to get anyone elected.

    Nay. They can afford it. Besides, weren't Bush's tax cuts responsible for a decent chunk of our current debt? Why not end those instead of a program that helps millions of seniors get access to affordable healthcare? How is ending temprary tax cuts "fleecing" the wealthy?

    They will. Everyone is very caught up in this particular moment and conveniently forgetting exactly how short of a memory span the voting populace has in this country. This whole Meidcare debacle will blow over. The GOP will regain the upper hand and lose it at least twice before the 2012 election.
     
  14. leekohler, May 26, 2011
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    He should never have made that promise. The Bush tax cuts need to go away.

    Oh christ. And the Oscar for best dramatic and histrionic performance goes to...

    Just shut up already. We've all had enough of your inability to post rationally. It would be funny, but your inability to live in the real world is just sad, really.

    You lost, and you will continue to lose. The people you support are utter lunatics, and people are finally seeing them for what they are.
     
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    It's so sad, his posts are knock offs of republican talking points and so rigid and without individuality I'm almost ready to put him on my ignore list simply because it is so tiresome to read his posts.
     
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    It almost as if they're copied and pasted from some right wing loon's speed rant.
     
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    So what is the do nothing dems plan for Medicare? Something besides fear mongering has to be done and done very soon or Medicare will collapse the economy. Raising taxes will not solve the Medicare or the Social Security budget issue.
     
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    They already saved over half a trillion dollars with fraud and abuse savings when they passed health care reform (remember the right-wing ads where the do nothing repulicans accused the do something democrats of attacking medicare?). That was step one.

    Universal health care would go a long way to solve the problems.
    Revenue increases would help.
    Fraud and abuse enforcement would help.
    Additional regulations would help.

    There are a ton of things that could be done if the GOP stopped obstructing other than destroying the system and passing on the costs to the elderly.
     
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    Don't underestimate the quantity, and ease of mobilization of the religious right in this country whom were turned into a political tool right around Reegan's election.

    You guys didn't think it was actually sheer idiocy driving the GOP this hard to the right did you? They're just making a gamble on mobilizing more religious folk (whom seem more involved normally) than the Dems mobilizing any youth. Factor in all the GOP (not even hidden) attempts to make it harder for anyone to vote who doesn't conveniently fit in their base, and you've got something that would be called voter fraud if it weren't a mirror the GOP was always looking in.
     
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    Unlike mosts, I don't think there are only two options. You're exactly right, the Repubs do it too. The difference is, I can admit it happens from my side and I call it out when it happens. I support government getting out of the marriage business all together. I time and time again stated that the birther issue was stupid. Why won't you stand up and admit that we have a spending problem in this country, that our entitlement programs are unsustainable?



    Increasing taxes does not equal increasing government 'revenues'. Our high end tax rate used to be over 90% but revenues have remained virtually unchanged. We have a spending problem, not a revenue problem.

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    Stupid argument. It'll take too much time to point out why.


    Yes, when we cut taxes, we should also cut spending. The two work together. Government is too big - period. I agree with your frustration that people seem to want it all. We need to stop pretending like government can take care of us from cradle to grave. In order to tax enough to pay for these services, we'd have to completely destroy our economy. It's not feasible, that much has been proven.




    This country wasn't founded on socialism. We were not founded on redistribution of wealth. If you want to live in a socialist state, move to one. I find the simple comment 'they can afford it' morally disastrous.



    Agreed.




    How quaint. "No, you shut up!"
     
  22. mcrain, May 26, 2011
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    Nice job trying to hide the facts by again posting that deceptive tax rate v. revenue as a percentage of GDP. Do I really need to quote your other post in which you clearly proved higher taxes resulted in higher revenue?

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    Cite? All evidence is to the contrary. People are living in poverty, starving, and corporations are destroying the country, economy and environment due to a lack of government. Care to explain your view?
     
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