House GOP already moving to repeal health care reform

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  1. dscuber9000 macrumors 6502a

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    The Republicans are already getting a procedural vote ready for Friday, just two days after they take control of the House officially. How they plan to pass a bill through the Democratic-controlled Senate and then not get it vetoed by the president who campaigned hard for the reform, is still a complete mystery. In my opinion, it's more a symbolic gesture of the GOP for the Tea Party.
     
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    It's completely symbolic, just like the Dem's DREAM vote. It's just hedging for a later campaigns - they have to be able to show their TEA party base they'e keeping their campaign promises (which they knew they couldn't keep anyway).
     
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    Isn't just about everything that GOP does a symbolic gesture to the American people? The GOP cares about big business, thats it. Everything else is pure rhetoric, yet somehow our population doesn't seem to understand who is actively working against their well-being.
     
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    This vote is stupid, but I'm more worried about their finding some way to de-fund parts of the bill -- such as hiding provisions that de-fund the health care law in a larger "must-pass" bill.
     
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    We really need actual public health officials to determine how we do health care, and NOT politicians who have no idea what is going on and may be serving interests other than the public's.
     
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    Not going to happen. They can try all they want. I knew they were going to waste our time. Get ready for White House investigations too.
     
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    We need to keep a tab on how much the GOP is wasting on this. Sinse this is really all part of a 2012 campaign it should be paid for with campaign finances and not taxpayer money...
     
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    Democrats have tried to block health measures proposed by Republicans in the past, so this spiteful opposition goes both ways
     
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    Ah, the old "two wrongs make a right" rebuttal, nice :D

    You do understand this has zero chance of happening don't you? So why waste the time and money when they could be productive on other things... These kinds of things are the problem, not the solution...

    At least they are consistent. Do nothing without power, do nothing with power.
     
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    Oh, they did plenty when they had power- plenty of damage, and we're going to be digging ourselves out of that hole for a long time.
     
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    Darrell Issa has already said he'll investigate the WH. He didn't really say what for, just that Obama is the most corrupt president ever and he needs to be investigated :rolleyes: The congressional republicans are acting like a bunch of whining children.
     
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    Correct, but neither side wants to be the first one to blink. You must admit.
     
  14. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    Politics is about one thing, principle. Both sides do anything that makes them look good and others look bad. Concern for the common person disappeared a long time ago. Politics in general don't make a right. And when was the last time you saw a responsible financial decision in the government? The national debt thread kind of illustrates this.
     
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    Thank God they're not waiting. Glad to see they're not wimping out... if they can't pass a repeal, they'll certainly be able to defund certain components of the bill, they'll certainly be able to attach defunding-components onto other bills which the POTUS wouldn't dare veto. My only fear is that it won't be enough.

    "The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a government program." -Ronald
     
  17. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    Well, it cant get much worse

    The US CURRENTLY spends about $8,000 (yes, eight G's) Per Person. You, I and that lady next door with the mustache, everyone all had 8 grand spent on us in 2008. That is actually the highest dollar amount spent by any health care system in the world, and last time I checked it was like $3,000 higher than the second average which I believe is Finland, but don't quote me.
     
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    The question you need to ask yourself is why those numbers are so high.

    • Could it have anything to do with government regulations on insurance mandating that only certain companies can operate in certain areas creating government-mandated monopolies? Yes.
    • Could it have anything to do with government regulations requiring every insurance company, every policy, to cover every ailment under the sun so that customers can't pick individualized care and even the most healthy customers are forced to take the same policies as the 80 year old overweight men with diabetes?
    • Could it be that this government mandated coverage resulted in medical companies, hospitals, insurance companies, being able to charge pretty much anything they wanted since customer choice was limited and the free market was fundamentally killed several decades ago?
    • Could it have anything to do with government regulations on the drug/procedure approval process which resulted in drugs taking decades to go through the approval process while they could have been saving/lengthening lives for many years before hand?
    • Could it have anything to do with a legal system which allows patients to sue for anything and everything so that doctors are forced to take out ridiculous insurance policies and in turn force them to raise their prices to compensate?
    • Could it have anything to do with the millions of illegal aliens in this country who get free care in our hospital rooms without paying taxes?



    Government is attempting to fix a problem IT created with regulations, with further regulations. Instead of realizing the problem was going away from free market principles, they're doubling down and attempting to socialize the entire system.
     
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    Oh yeah- he promised that right after the election. I'm tired of these fools wasting our money and getting nothing done. They did this with Clinton and wasted a ton of money. What did they find? A blow job in the White House. Pathetic. And it will be even more petty with Obama, I guarantee you.

    This health care thing is nothing more than pandering. They know it's not going to get repealed.
     
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    I agree; many of the problems we are facing were created by the government. The ones you listed I agree with although the stats about illegal immigrants using ERs as their doctors shows that this doesn't have a huge overall impact on the system. Furthermore, the current health care market is faarrrr from being a capitalistic design and competition is kept at bay by the federal government. The government has helped drive up the cost of all medical care, actively discouraged people from becoming doctors (especially primary care), and has failed to address the nursing shortage.

    The FDA has largely hurt this as well.

    One more thing to add is that many new treatments that are questionable in effectiveness and safety are used in America instead of cheaper and proven treatments. Insurance companies and the government based insurance needs to have the ability to deny these treatments to their clients. The limiting of generic medication, long granted patent times, and restriction of medication has driven the cost up at a rate which has the rest of the world stupified. Medicine would cost a fraction if true competition was allowed.

    Here is an example. The number 1 selling drug in the US is Lipitor, with over $14 billion in sales last year. It is brand name only. The maker has been given a few month extension of the patent by the government so a generic is being pushed back from the summer of '11 to at least the end of '11. Now, there is question about Lipitor; yes, it does what it claim to do it does (positively impact cholesterol and stop/remove plaque build up), BUT the degree in which Lipitor extends life is debated. Lipitor may not affect the chance of people dying at all. Now low dose aspirin is proven to reduce the chance of stroke and heart attack, as well as the chance of dying from them. Which do you hear more about? Which does insurance cover? Which one gets more attention by primary care physicians?
     
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    So you are condoning both earmarks and wasteful spending in the name of principal?
     
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    Any bill that would increase spending in any part of the budget should be shelved until congress can find a way to start balancing the budget.
     
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    This isn't a bill. It's a law. The Republicans will get nowhere with this.
     
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    Darrell Issa is probably only going to shore up support for Obama. Boehner has been quietly saying to make sure all investigations have substance, but Issa only wants to run a smear campaign.

    People want jobs, not wasteful and pointless jihads.
     
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    Oh- I really do hope Issa does what he says. The Republicans will be sent packing once again next election. Maybe then they'll learn.
     

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