How Do We Fix Government?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Huntn, Aug 12, 2012.

  1. Huntn macrumors P6


    May 5, 2008
    The Misty Mountains
    There are lots of things that need to be done, but for a starter, how about NO retirement for members of Congress with less than 20 years of service, and then we do term limits of no more than 8 years/two terms? ;)

    I'd also suggest that the medical coverage that Congress gets be no better than what medicare provides, they must use the same providers, and that the Reps must pay into it just like everyone else? As Reps, they should be equal to what average citizens enjoy, not above them.

    We enforce a strict code of moral conduct. Spinning facts to a point where they become lies will no longer be tolerated.

    What else? ;)
  2. rdowns macrumors Penryn


    Jul 11, 2003
  3. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    Get the private money out of elections.

    Publicly fund all state and national campaigns.


    The Constitution.

    Rip it up and start over.
  4. skunk macrumors G4


    Jun 29, 2002
    Republic of Ukistan
    Government is already fixed, bought, sold and compromised. The question is, "How do we unfix it?"
  5. rdowns macrumors Penryn


    Jul 11, 2003

    If Congress can't write tax loopholes for campaign cash, you go a long way in removing much of the money from politics.
  6. jav6454 macrumors P6


    Nov 14, 2007
    1 Geostationary Tower Plaza
    This, while at the same time helping Mr. Small Business owner rather than Mr. CEO.

    The lengths these people go to not have their income taxed is amazing ($1/yr salaries for instance)
  7. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6


    May 5, 2008
    The Misty Mountains
    Take the pork out of bills.


    I agree with the first part. I'd say update the Constitution, not start from scratch. It's too important of a document.

    I agree, but some might call that welfare, hehe.
  8. guzhogi macrumors 68030


    Aug 31, 2003
    Wherever my feet take me…
    Funny how all the legislators who are against Obamacare & government backed insurance seem to get it from… ta-da! The government! Why is it good enough for them, but not good enough for the rest of us?

    I work in a school district and it's very similar to this. The administration wants the teachers & staff to pay more into our insurance & pensions, yet the administration doesn't pay for any of theirs if my information I have is correct. I can understand part of that from the stance of there are a lot more teachers & staff than administrators so most of the money for the district's salaries & benefits go to the teachers. However, pretty much all administrators (principals, superintendent & assistant superintendents) get paid over $100,000 a year, and that doesn't include insurance/pensions. Plus, our superintendent gets paid I believe $3-400,000 a year. In terms of salaries alone, my district pays probably close to $1.75 - $2 million a year to administrators. If thy paid maybe 10% of their salaries for insurance/pensions, that's still $175,000-$200,000. We could hire 3-4 more fairly new teachers in the district with that.

    What would you recommend we replace it with? Doesn't help much to just say "start from scratch." The new one could be far, far worse. I don't mean to be a jackass, but if you really want to make things better, suggest solutions, not just say "start over."
  9. unlinked macrumors 6502a

    Jul 12, 2010
    "Every law or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title."
  10. fox10078 macrumors 6502


    Nov 6, 2009
    I like your first part,

    I wonder what part of the constitution is so bad that it needs to be ripped up and we start over?
  11. niuniu macrumors 68020


    Mar 29, 2009
    A man of the people. The right sort of people.
    A new Bill of human rights, one that is detailed in its purpose and sets out interpretative protections so that bigots can't hide behind it.

    As long as government is at the mercy to militant lobby groups like the NRA, you have little hope of real change anyway.
  12. Huntn thread starter macrumors P6


    May 5, 2008
    The Misty Mountains
    You want a war?- raise taxes to pay for it and institute a no-loop hole draft for soldiers to die for it.
  13. NickZac macrumors 68000


    Dec 11, 2010
    Start by firing everyone in government and reforming to somewhat of a parliamentary-like system. Remove all private funds for elections and standardize the process (and ban all the ****ing signs). Eliminate smear campaigns. Utilize voting systems in which the public directly votes and what they say goes, and take controversial issues to the people (ex: gun rights). Reduce the size of the federal government and restore some power to State governments to organize and function as they deem correct. Implement a standardized tax code (i.e.: a true flat tax) so that the wealthiest people are not getting out of paying taxes, and that the wealthiest people can't argue that others aren't paying their share. Implement a code in which all two-person human-relationships are viewed equally (or not at all) giving same legal rights to opposite and same sex couples. Eliminate the concept of marriage in the public sense and differentiate it from the religious concept of marriage. Stop funding FBOs with public funds, and make decisions based on evidence-based a start.
  14. Prof. macrumors 601


    Aug 17, 2007
    And if we started from scratch, Republicans would vote to make the Bible the new Constitution.
  15. VulchR macrumors 68020


    Jun 8, 2009
    1. Ban corporate funding of campaigns.
    2. Limit personal contributions to campaigns to $1000
    3. Ban former members of Congress from serving as private corporate consulates for 10 years after they serve. The same for generals, admirals, cabinet officers, etc.
    4. Remove all tax loopholes for anybody earning above twice the median US income (or households earning 4 times the median income or above).
    5. Have the GAO estimate the impact of each new congressional bill on the federal deficit, job creation, environmental damage, income and opportunity equality, and economic growth.
    6. Institute serious jail time for fraud, with mandatory minimum sentences.
    7. Abolish the electoral college and directly elect the President and VP by popular vote.
    8. Exclude members of Congress from voting on bills that specifically name companies or government installations in their home district to receive money.
    9. When the economy picks back up, take measures to eliminate the debt and then to create a sovereign fund that can be used in the next recession to help stimulate employment.
    10. Enforce government contracts, with contractors who underestimate costs during the bidding process having the additional unestimated costs automatically added to any subsequent bids until they have a track record of submitting accurate bids. The flip side could be that companies that complete contracts for less than the estimated price could subtract that from future bids.
  16. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    Why even have personal contributions at all?

    A tax that went to fund public campaigns could serve that purpose.

    I'd love to see the day where nobody felt the need to spend money on a political candidate.
  17. boss.king macrumors 68040


    Apr 8, 2009
    Just out of curiosity, why is it 'Government' without an article? Is this a colloquialism or is this the way to refer to the American Govt.? It sounds so weird to me, it's like saying "how do we fix car"
  18. skottichan macrumors 6502a


    Oct 23, 2007
    Columbus, OH
    Easiest way to fix the government, wipe out the human race. No matter how well intentioned, the average populace is either so stupid, or apathetic that we would begin getting stupid and apathetic people into office again.

    It's like the people who bitch about pork barrel, but then complain that their state roads, bridges and highways haven't been repaired for ages. For every "Bridge to Nowhere" or "Big Dig", there are innumerable earmarks for local improvements.

    Also, people that bitch about career politicians. There have always been career politicians, since the beginning of the US till today. It's like the "ohhh elections are more negative than they've ever been", crack open a history book, there have been dirty politics and campaigns since the beginning.

    It's not the government's fault it's jacked up, it's the voters'.
  19. Coleman2010 macrumors 68000

    Oct 9, 2010
    1) The House and Senate pay should be based on the number of laws passed. If they're not passing any laws like the current congress. They don't get paid. Renaming post offices don't count!

    2) If they filibuster a law. They are not paid until the filibuster ends. If a law has a majority vote put it on the floor and allow the vote.

    3) Full discloser of campaign donors. If a millionaire or corporation is going to finance a candidate. I want to know who they are so I can support or boycott their products.

    4) Audit the defense budget.

    5) Remove all politicians who do not compromise. The ones that sit on their hands and say it's my way or the high way get nothing done. (I'm referring to you teabaggers.)
  20. puma1552 macrumors 603

    Nov 20, 2008
    Get rid of the republicans and their backwards, outdated mentality that America is God's country and that the constitution was handed down to us from Christ himself.

    That'll be a hell of a start to catching up to the rest of the world in terms of progress.
  21. SwiftLives macrumors 65816


    Dec 7, 2001
    Charleston, SC
    As frustrating as opposition is, liberals need conservatives. Conservatives need liberals.

    Personally, I like the idea of the parliamentary system, where you vote for the party instead of the person. One of the major flaws in the current system is that a simple majority wins. Theoretically, one party could win 50.1% of every single congressional race, and end up with 100% of the congressional seats. I don't find that to be representative.

    A parliamentary system would (theoretically) allow more parties and ideas into the government. Not all liberals agree on everything - same with conservatives. It would force compromises and coalitions. Hell - it might even give libertarians and socialists a few seats.

    It won't happen, though. There's way too much jingoistic American pride in the government for any self-respecting politician (with any sort of future) to admit that there's a fundamental structural problem with it.

    (Can anyone from a parliamentary country vouch for any of this? I'm pretty sure I'm being too idealistic here).
  22. turtle777 macrumors 6502a

    Apr 30, 2004
    That's a good start.

    Also, how about: you get no vote as long as you are on any kind of public welfare or government assistance.

    I know, let the flaming begin :)

  23. ThisIsNotMe Suspended

    Aug 11, 2008
    Simple. Eliminate vast portions of it.
    Let people make their own decisions.
  24. niuniu macrumors 68020


    Mar 29, 2009
    A man of the people. The right sort of people.
    I bet a wounded soldiers on government assistance, or men who worked hard their whole lives to suffer an industrial accident and got assistance would agree with you. No reason for them to vote, they're useless scum not worthy of an opinion.

    Or someone born into a poor family, may as well just put them down, they aren't equal citizens after all. Any other great ideas? Slavery perhaps? Maybe remove women from the voting register too? :rolleyes:
  25. renewed macrumors 68040


    Mar 24, 2009
    Bemalte Blumen duften nicht.
    I'm glad the majority of y'all don't make decisions at an influential level. If this forum was a country it would be ****.

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