How Do You Feel About The Future?

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  1. Huntn, May 6, 2014
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    An interesting article in Smithsonian Magazine (May 2014) called Brave New Worlds that talks about science fiction writing and how it is reflects the hopes an fears of humans about what science and technology (S&T) offers the human race positive or negatively. In the 30s, 40s, and the early 1950s, people felt positive about the future with a belief that S&T would make the world a better place. There were cracks in the positive however with a 1927 movie called Metropolis about a dystopian future.

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    Bertrand Russell, a British philosopher and historian said in 1924:
    Somewhere in the 50s with the threat of nuclear holocaust attitudes changed and were reflected in science fiction. S&T in the hands of human beings became a negative as more writers imagined dark dystopian or post-apocalyptic futures for the human race.

    John Clute, editor of the Encyclopedia of Science Fiction says:
    Kim Stanley Robinson, author of the Mars Trilogy says that people felt positive in the early 20th century.
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    One exception to the dark future is Gene Roddenberry whose Star Trek Next Generation embodied a bright future, the utopian socialist society where all people are freed from monotonous toil, allowed to live in comfort, and to explore their potential as human beings.

    For myself rightly or wrongly, I see today's politics divided into two camps, conservatives who are mainly concerned about themselves and holding on to what they've got or for the poor ones, their sense of entitlement- a dog eat dog world. And liberals whether if you agree with their methods or not, who are more concerned with the overall state of humanity. The fight right now in U.S. Politics is over these two directions. I imagine the same fight is happening around the world to varying degrees.

    Is this a fair view? What do you think the future holds for humanity? Will we destroy ourselves or break through into a bright future?
     
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    Since you mentioned "Metropolis"...

    Submitted for your consideration/approval:

     
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    One thing I think will happen is a slow and downward spiral of US power and influence. This 21st Century will no longer be the American century like the 20th was.:p
     
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    Yup, we'd need another 2 world wars to damage the infrastructure of most of the 1st world (except the US!) to get another American Century. It's the only reason we got one in the first place.
     
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    I really hope that you are joking, but because you are an American I am really not sure.:eek:
     
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    No no no, I don't WANT another 2 world wars, I was just saying they're what produced the "American Century": not because America was super-awesome, but because the rest of the 1st world was a bombed out shell of its former self.
     
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    Approved! :)

    Even I can tell the statement you are referring to is insincere regarding world wars as good things even though a recent thread asserted that premise. :p

    The cynic in me might say this, but I can't swear by it.
     
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    Wow, guys..

    Almost 10 posts in, and no mention of Timbuk 3. Re-examine your priorities! :p



    BL.
     
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    Hey the song is about going to school so it must be a thumbs up! :D I'm waiting for our local Rushs to chime in about liberal conspiracies. Lol.
     
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    I'm the current generation, I think we are going swimmingly and "youth problems" are way WAY overblown. and people saying tbr younger generation is screwed obviously hadn't lived from birth in the current generation because we are doing great.
     
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    Is this saying like "going fishing"? To clarify, could you describe yourself as poor, middle class, or affluent?
     
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    What the hell is the 'current generation'?

    If you mean you're in your under the age of 25 or so, then you're screwed.
     
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    That means we are doing absolutely fine, apologies I expected that to be a common expression.

    I think I would be upper-middle class(but many look at us as affluent), but I have plenty of friends in middle class and they are doing fine and their parents have enough money left over to "spoil them"

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    No, I know we clearly are not. As I said all the "problems" with the current generation are way overblown.
     
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    Sorry I am familiar with that term, but did not focus on the "ly" in "swimmingly" which is not a common term where I am from. It could be that you have a much different perspective, than I do in the States. What I'm saying is that maybe things are not turning to **** as rapidly in NZ as they seem to be here. :eek:
     
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    I'm at school at the moment, but when I'm free I will provide some stats and information as to maybe why things appear to be better here.
     
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    Sounds good.

    Well this thread is supposed to about what humans do with the technology they develop. Will it be for the overall good or for the good of a few? Sorry but this is a downer post, that takes the most negative path I can imagine. I always hope that good sense will prevail in the end and reverse this course, however...

    When I say "turning to ****" what I mean is that the values that I knew in my young life, first 20 years, started evaporating in the 1970s when the conservatives in this country simultaneously leaped to the far right, transforming their party from a group of mostly reasonable people to zealots who have put the brakes on marching forward towards a more humane society, reversing course with the target of a non-regulated market place, the eradication of environmental law, all in the name of profits, a neutered government unable to enforce its laws, and big business if allowed will turn average citizens and what used to be the Middle Class into the pauper class in the name of self enrichment. All of these things are more about moral decisions people make, not so much as the utilization of technology, but these decisions in combination with technology have a definite impact on the future.

    The conservatives want their crowd to have unfettered access to guns so when the revolution starts they will be ready to shoot. When unofficial militias appear in Nevada on behalf of a deadbeat rancher to present armed resistance to lawful enforcement action, this is the first shot over the bow that laws, courts ,and the democratic way is in severe jeopardy.

    At this point I am seriously considering changing my position that we should all have guns so if the revolution starts, it won't only be the gun nuts who are armed. I'm serious and shopping.
     
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    No the doctor would save us..,
     
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    Ok I'm feeling lazy here. but basically there was a study stating NZ has one of the most happiest people populous and due to to our gun laws we don't have mass shootings. We do have gun killings nowhere near as frequent as I see in the US.

    NZ wasn't hit as hard as the recession as America and from some basic researching the NZ national minimum wage is higher then the federal US minimum(by a decent bit)
     
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    I think we're facing the end of American ascendancy, but I'm not sure what will replace the Pax Americana (less pax, more bellus than we'd care to admit).

    This could ultimately be a good thing for the world and even the United States, but it will require a relative sea-change in American culture to really end well.

    I'm most concerned that we've reached the era Kim Stanley Robinson called The Great Dithering when we refuse to do anything about Climate Change until it's too late and therefore we spend the next century trying to mitigate the climatic shift and future energy shortages.
     
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    Or as conservatives like to hope, it will be out of our hands so they don't have to spend any money addressing it, although the indications are the expense will be great whether they approve of it or not...
     
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    Until the human mind is somehow changed in some substantial way, the power we are accumulating through knowledge development makes us ever more a danger to ourselves.

    Here's an example.

    Suppose each member of this forum could push a button which would erase this forum, all the backups, and the domain name too. Total end of MacRumors. Very few of us would ever push that button, even if we got really mad about something happening on the forum.

    But it only takes one person pushing the button one time, and it's game over. That's where knowledge development is leading us.

    The last couple hundred years has been our very first attempt at creating an advanced technology based civilization, an incredibly ambitious project in historical terms.

    My best guess is that we'll fail at this many times before we finally get it right, as that's the way very ambitious projects usually go.
     
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    What's with all the gloom-n-doom?

    Just as this old film predicted, the Turn of the 21st Century was simply astounding! Is there any doubt that the shape of things to come will be even more astonishing!

     
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    This video is absolutely fantastic! :)
     

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