How effective a president has Obama been?

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  1. jeremy h macrumors 6502

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    On the radio here this morning Bob Woodward was plugging his new book, called I think, 'The Price of Politics'?

    The discussion centred on Obama's effectiveness - it was quite interesting - Bob seems to be suggesting that he's been actually quite ineffectual. He made several comparisons with Clinton who used to love the grit of politics and made the point several times that Barack is too distant and aloof to be really effective. He also suggested that he's not strategic enough and doesn't seem to plan for things going wrong (and have a plan B up his sleeve).

    From a UK perspective - once you've got over the first black president and the fact he's not George W thing - he does seem to be a curiously blank space. (Mind you, the US, in terms of politics, seems an odd place at the moment.)

    Leaving aside the Mitt comedy show - everything seems stalled. You seem to be in the same space you were 3 years ago? Almost as if you're all waiting for something?

    Is this observation fair? Has he really achieved good things? Is he effective?
     
  2. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Bill Clinton "How to ride a wave of economic success while getting your dick sucked under the desk".

    Obama would have been a much better pick for that era and much more effective than Clinton IMO. Obama is roped in by the bad economy.
     
  3. jeremy h thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Fair point - I'm not anti Obama by any means (We're all waiting for things to get better) - just interested in what he's done for the average American. How much progress has he actually made? How would you mark his scorecard?
     
  4. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    I'd say he's done an ok job. He got healthcare legislation passed, and stopped the economy from getting much worse, Got us out of Iraq, and a few more things. But most of that was at the beginning of his term, the last few years he's been held back by congress and his inability to force things through. So I wouldn't say he's been ineffective, but in retrospect I think Hillary would have been the better choice in 08.
     
  5. Huntn macrumors G5

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    You have to consider what Obama has accomplished in the face of pull-out-the-stops opposition.
     
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    For me as a European this was enough, just seeing and hearing George 'W' that sanctimonious idiot, who sounded like a country bumpkin when he spoke, and had that god awful smirk on his face, it used to make my skin crawl.
    So hell yes Obama he's better, I feel far safer knowing that there is at least a thinking human being in charge again.
     
  7. edk99 macrumors 6502a

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    Then again the opposition did not have to much say in what happened in the first 2 years. In the last 2 years they were trying to prevent things from getting worse from the failed policies of the first 2 years. I for one am glad we've had little to no major legislation passed in the last 2 years. Saying NO is not a bad thing.
     
  8. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    The people went to the polls and voted dems out so this is arguably what they wanted. If they liked what dems were doing they wouldn't have lost seats.
     
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    Without analyzing the merits of their votes, I agree that the reason we have Republicans in office is that some portion of the electorate voted for them. :)
     
  10. samiwas macrumors 65816

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    Exactly. Every day, I take a left at one street on the way to work. I decided one day that taking a right might be a better option. So I did. But I drove off the end of a bridge that wasn't finished. Obviously that's what I wanted to happen. Maybe the road to the left WAS the better option, after all.
     
  11. quagmire macrumors 603

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    Unlike the GOP, the Democrats are not united in pulling the party line. So while in the first two years the Democrats had a supermajority, there were Democrats that were in conservative districts that didn't vote for things the rest of the Democrats were trying to pass. So the Democrats never really had 60 votes so the GOP did have a lot of say despite being in the minority.

    And while saying no isn't a bad thing per se, the GOP have been saying no too many times without compromising and then turning around and saying Obama has done a bad job in fixing the economy. You can't say Obama has done a bad job when you prevent pretty much everything that Obama wants to do to try and improve things from passing.
     
  12. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    C+/B-

    My grade for Obamas first term.

    Graded down because he didn't do a good enough job uniting the various Democrat factions, didn't adequately stand up to Republican obstruction, and failed to clearly and consistently explain his policies and reasoning behind them to the American people.
     
  13. quagmire macrumors 603

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    I would agree with that. I wasn't happy that he didn't just tell the GOP to screw off when it was clear they weren't going to compromise. The Dems put a lot of concessions in their major bills that the GOP wanted, but the GOP still didn't vote for the bills. So not only does the GOP parade around how they did their best to prevent socialism from running wild in America, they still get their way in the bills because the Dems put in concessions trying to compromise.
     
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    Yeh, except we've had a map and have been down both roads multiple times. They actually campaigned on stopping Obama.
     
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    Obama was quite effective his first two years. The stimulus package worked, the auto industry did not collapse, and we got sort-of-semi-universal healthcare insurance in the works, with a bunch of people already covered who were not before. (This had never been accomplished by any President from Truman on.) Then, the ultra-right pulled out all the stops, and has tried to stymie and discredit him in every way possible, first by attacking non-right-wing Republicans in office and replacing them by doctrinaire ultra-rightists. Obama hasn't been effective at dealing with people across the aisle because they have refused to deal. The political atmosphere is now like Greece turned large-- every city and state is marked by how many "red" and "blue" voters there are. Do I blame Obama for this? Absolutely not-- he has been incredibly statesmanlike in the face of constant stupid and disrespectful attacks by the Republican Party. Or former Republican Party I should say-- the GOP has been taken over by what used to be the American Independent Party. The Republican Party seems to be unable to rid itself of this plague. I doubt if I will ever vote for a Republican again.
     
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    Stop pretending like you have universal health care, you have a tax penalty to force people to buy health insurance from a private company.
     
  17. mcrain macrumors 68000

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    Voter turnout fell over 60% from 2008 to 2010. In other words, a minority of people, far fewer than that which voted for Obama, overthrew the intent of the majority.

    We need mandetory fully inclusive voting to prevent highly motivated crazy people from hijacking an entire election and radically turning the country away from the direction the majority chose.
     
  18. Zombie Acorn macrumors 65816

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    Much of the voting base is indifferent, that could hurt Obama this time around. They've figured out that hope and change is nothing more than another politician's smoke and mirrors.
     
  19. Kurwenal macrumors 6502a

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    Just a guess, but maybe that's why he called it

    instead of

     
  20. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    This is not the first time I have heard this, but I do not know why people think that. What do you think Hillary would have done differently???

    The midterms almost always go to the other party because people are never satisfied with ANY President and want unrealistic instant solutions to problems that will take decades to fix.

    As for my grade of Obama, I'm going to go with a B+. I cannot give him an A because until more recently he has not spoke up about his accomplishments and has not called out the obstructionist Republicans as much as he should have either. I would have made a huge deal out of this if I were him. They vote against their own policies. They vote against equal pay for women. They vote against 9/11 responders. Today they voted against jobs for veterans. The only thing they seem to be for these days, is abortion bills, and naming Post Offices. That's not good enough.
     
  21. NickZac macrumors 68000

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    A mediocre job...just like virtually every single elected official currently in government. And that is the trade-off of democracy. We indeed pick who runs the place, but that doesn't mean that public majority opinion is necessarily correct, nor that the people that everyone likes will necessarily do a good job.

    And to construe it further, you can only get in as an elected official if you have $$$.
     
  22. Sydde macrumors 68020

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    I personally felt at the time that Ms. Clinton was too establishment old-guard, not likely to make important changes to the system. In retrospect, it looks like my view was in full opposition to reality. I believe she would have twisted arms and slapped heads to get the public option put into the final bill. And she would have almost certainly had a black man in the main OEOB office, ready in the wings for '16.
     
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    Don't forget that 2010 was the first year we saw the superPACs. These give Republicans a ridiculous advantage in terms of campaign financing.
     
  24. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    What he said.

    I think people thinking about Ms. Clinton have forgotten that the right-wing went absolutely bananas about her after she got mixed up in the healthcare debate. A lot of wealthy donors really, really don't want universal healthcare in the U.S. and will stoop to anything to prevent. Why? I'm not 100% sure, but, socialized medicine (said with either a sneer or a shudder) was the ultimate bugbear when I was a youth.
     
  25. Coleman2010 macrumors 68000

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    2 years is a Republican talking point. The Democrats had a filibuster majority for only 5 months not 2 years. After 5 months the republicans filibustered every piece of legislation.

    Answer honestly. Do you watch Fox news? Fox news viewers are the most misinformed.

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    Mittens is doing a bang up job motivating democrats. Calling all Obama supporters victims who don't take personal responsibilities for their lives and saying they're not my job has a way of motivating people to vote against you.
     

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