How great do you think your country is?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Chew Toy McCoy, Aug 6, 2017.

  1. Chew Toy McCoy macrumors regular

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    I didn't want to leave people outside the US out of this discussion, thus the title. I'm American. Hi.

    Some people think the US is great based on history or compared to other countries.

    Others, myself included, think a great country should always be striving to be better for the majority of their citizens and the process of getting there shouldn't be a long drawn out idealogical street brawl. So by that standard the US really isn't great. At all.
     
  2. jkcerda macrumors 6502a

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    Full of idiots who are responsible for the stupid pos govt
     
  3. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    finally we agree (G) welcome aboard.
     
  4. Septembersrain Contributor

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    We should never be complacent in thinking we are the greatest country.

    There should never be a time when we are no longer trying to better the country we live in.
     
  5. steve knight macrumors 68020

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    canada right?
     
  6. fitshaced macrumors 68000

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    I'm Irish. My country is great at many things but very slow to accept change (same sex marriage vote aside). But we're neutral and that means less threat to our way of life and less likely to suffer terrorist attacks.

    However, I live in Australia and became a citizen some year ago. Australia is also great and has a wonderful climate. Lovely people and very interesting (albeit tragic) history. Politics are a soap opera though and they behave in some ways like a mini US.
     
  7. A.Goldberg macrumors 68020

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    I think it's hard to say that America, or any country for that matter, isn't constantly trying to evolve itself for the better. I do think America has a lot to work on, as most countries have to do. The world is constantly changing, and so must we. But we do have a lot of "great" accomplishments.

    There are so many variables to consider a country as "the greatest". Many things are subjective or come down to a subjective weighing of preferences of pros vs. cons. To believe that a utopia can or does exist is niave, and as history has demonstrated, potentially dangerous.

    It's also important to remember some problems stem not from the government or the so called 1%, but by the culture itself.
     
  8. Eraserhead, Aug 6, 2017
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    Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    1/10 as the government is threatening the food supply. But then I'm not convinced other western nations are much better.

    EDIT: I'll give Germany 3/10, France 1.5/10, the US: 2/10, Australia: 3/10, China: 7/10, India: 4/10, Japan 4/10

    EDIT 2: oooh. Need to give the EU a rating too, I'll give them 3/10.
     
  9. darksithpro macrumors 6502

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    We all have issues with our leaders, and we also disagree on a lot of policy issues. It's part of a functioning democracy. However as an American I am so grateful and happy that we are not like the socialist EU. I don't want to be like the UK, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, or Finland. What works for them is fantastic, but America should stay true to it's founding core beliefs.
     
  10. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    I don't think that's what the American people want.
     
  11. niploteksi macrumors regular

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    Would you mind explaining the grade you give China?
     
  12. darksithpro macrumors 6502

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    His love for Capitalism? Seems to be the only reason they'd get a 7.
     
  13. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Well, they are capable of building good infrastructure without fuss, they are capable of building enough houses, they aren't risking the food supply, they deliver substantial economic growth year in, year out, they've delivered wage growth to ordinary citizens, they've taken a lead on tackling climate change etc etc.

    Sure they have issues with freedom and pollution. But they have at least tried to tackle pollution without burying their head in the sand.
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    China is the most effective capitalist country in the world at the current time.
     
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    By electing Trump, Americans left a message loud and clear, that's something they are NOT interested in doing.
     
  16. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    They elected Trump to say **** you to the establishment.
     
  17. darksithpro macrumors 6502

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    True, that was one aspect of it.
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  18. 8692574 Suspended

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    One should never value a country based on its policitians, as they usually are the worse example of that nation, and a country can be great despite its politics...

    That being said, I am Italian, and I think this is the best country in the world, we have great food, awesome fashion great inventive and most of all history.

    Pretty much everything in todays world has been at least inspiered by something italian, from medicine to engineering, foor and fashin, monuments and simply variety, you can travel 100 KM (around 60 miles) from each point and eat something completely different, have different house / monument styles, peole have a completely different life styles and and even slangs (some do not even seems italians).

    Unfortunatly we seem unable (thanks goverment) to shine and to use all we have to our advantage, and most of the time we fall into a stereotype, that is haunt us...
     
  19. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    Amen, brother.

    I'm American and grateful for it most days. I am grateful every day for its Constitution as amended. You can get one of these from the ACLU if you don’t have a copy.


    ImpeccableSourceConstitution.jpg



    Our schools were better before we thought we had to put marble-floored food courts in them and give every student who wanted one a share of an off-campus condominium with four bedrooms, six baths and a partridge in a pear tree near the parking garage. So sorry the library is closed this week due to some windows not having been reglazed in ten years. ‘

    Our college freshmen struggle to write decent English paragraphs and are bored by the western canon. The connection there should be obvious but is not because the teachers have not read the canon yet either.

    We are grandly rich sometimes in complete modesty, but we are also nouveau riche in incredibly gauche ways. We are generous to a fault when push comes to shove. We will pitch in and help in a natural disaster. We will whine like a two year old when someone tells us NO.

    We believe in science, and that the earth is 6k years old. We are sure we can work this out somehow.

    We know that representative democracy is the answer for everyone, and we're also sure it's broken here at home. The breakdown happened while the other party abused its power.

    Yes still being too harsh on us, I know. It's a harsh world we live in. We hide America in reality TV now and get lost in it ourselves, but it will not save us from ourselves nor from our indulgence in all seven of the seven deadly sins. We are atheists, Roman Catholics and assorted Orthodox Christians, Jews of every flavor including vanilla nonobservant, Muslims, Buddhists, all manner of Protestants, Anglicans, Episcopalians, don’t ask why those are separate or we’ll tell you at great length. We believe confession is good for the soul but have not confessed a real sin, ever. We know the drill, though. We take religious holidays to prove it.

    We are fervent adopters of other countries' recipes and don't care if we mix, match and engage in cultural appropriation. Sue us. Do it after you join us for dinner. Don't forget to tip the waiter, we don't pay them squat.

    If you want to appropriate something from our culture, I'd say try our Constitution as amended and stick on something to save yourselves from the effects of our Citizens United decision on corporate personhood and campaign finance.

    I wouldn't live anyplace else except that while Trump is prez, I'd consider moving to Portugal, Australia, Ireland, Scotland, Chile, the Atlantic provinces of Canada, Sichuan province of China. I might have left something out there. Maybe the moon!
     
  20. sorcery macrumors regular

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    Not sure, as a citizen of dual nationality, how to respond to the proposition.
    Perhaps one should strive to avoid holding an opinion, instead judging each situation on its own eccentricities.
     
  21. allan.nyholm, Aug 7, 2017
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    allan.nyholm macrumors 6502a

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    I've never understood fully the - 'don't want to be like Denmark'-comment. It seems to be based on a belief that you can't see beyond the tip of your nose.

    I know everyone says "whatever works for you!" But that's just words to get me, an armchair warrior, to the keys.

    In all honesty I would love hear the real argument for such a comment about Denmark in particular. And how we are socialist - what does that word mean to you as an individual? We are not China nor are we any other country that you might think of.

    I'm fine by never having travelled to the US or UK or even most countries within Europe or the Southern Hemisphere.
    I can see with me eyes, hear with my ears(not that it's a lonely trade of us in Denmark but you hopefully get the idea)

    I wanted to judge each and every American and British person, for either; their language, food, style of clothing or how they comb their hair if they have any left. Instead I am grateful that I have an Apple computer and use the English language as my main language on the Mac and iOS devices etc. It's more functional like that, for me.

    How about them Mexicans with their Soap Operas on TV? Or those crazy Finnish? With their knives and whatnot. And the Swedes with their meatballs.

    We should consider ourselves lucky that we can voice our opinions. MacRumours has their website hosted on US soil.
    That I am grateful for too.

    Language isn't everything - but it is very much equal to that of action, for me. "Action speaks louder than words" - perhaps. But you can get away with a whole lot of things by writing things on Twitter as an newly elected American President without even buttering your toast. Take a listen to Hitler's speeches - he might flap his arms and get all crazy eyed at the podium but he never stuck anyone for looking at him all crosseyed. Not at first. That came later. You gotta soothe the people - say nice things, promise them a lot and also make them feel good about their nationality. Then you slay them. Although too much of that ends in a disaster.

    I can't see beyond the tip of my nose either. I have it too good here and enjoy my freedom. What about you, the North American Citizen? Do you have your freedom yet? Do any of us really?


    Denmark get's a 10/10. And now for the Danish National Anthem: "Der er et yndigt land - det står med brede bøge." etc.

    ps. sorry in advance for party rocking!

    pps. I also like that I can travel the world, should I choose to, and say things most people wouldn't understand because I speak the language of the Gods! English-speaking Mensch doesn't have that luxury in most cases.
     
  22. Ashka macrumors 6502a

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    My Country is New Zealand, same size as the UK but with an approximate population of 5 million plus 1 million Kiwis overseas :)
    Often left off the world map, just over the ditch from Australia. 8/10. No Country is perfect but NZ is far better than most.
     
  23. darksithpro macrumors 6502

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    We have a lot of people here all across the globe. UK, Denmark, Italy, New Zealand, ect.. Please to meet your acquaintances. It's good to share ideals across the globe. However that's not just a fluke. Apple products are world wide. That's why we have so many people from different parts of the world on this site.
     
  24. LizKat macrumors 68040

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    ^^ True, although the reason we have so many people from around the globe in this particular forum is probably because we have pretty good moderators so the place doesn't end up a river of sludge. A shout out here to them to say thanks for excellent work on usually thankless tasks.... even if once in awhile I mourn the loss of an off topic post gone a bridge too far... and washed away with a suitably brusque note LOL.
     

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