How is this "constitutional"?

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    http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-arizona-execution-drugs-20141222-story.html

    How is injecting people with poison not cruel and unusual punishment?
    Why not let the person choose how they can die?
    Like through a normal method? Firing squad? Beheading?

    Are the prison workers so lazy that they do not want to give someone dignity in dying, just because they have to clean up the mess? What other excuse is there for this?
     
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    DP in the U.S is a joke and a travesty at times. we have released plenty of people who were wrongfully convicted.
     
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    Controversy aside, it's constitutional because, when properly administered, it's a near painless and relatively quick form of death. It passes the cruel and unusual checks due to that.

    ...at least that's what I've heard. I won't claim expertise on the subject.
     
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    It couod be argued that the DP in itself is wrong and I agree that it would be smart to abolish it, but there are arguments for it. There are no arguments however for torturing people during their death. That is the ultimate cruelty. I you are too stupid to kill someone properly, then don't do it at all

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    This shows how different people perceive reality.
    Being forcefully drugged into subconsciousness by a witchdoctor during your last moments of life is the worst thing imaginable for me.
     
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    I'm not too keen on it either. Same with being electrocuted, shot, gassed, or hung by the neck until dead.

    But considering capital punishment is currently legal in the states, death by injection is a valid form of execution because it's not overly cruel and unusual. You basically fall asleep and die.

    I'm not arguing the pros and cons of the death penalty here. I'm simply stating the dry legal facts.
     
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    I know what you mean. But "legal facts" are merely the personal opinions of a chosen few. For me this means that those chosen few have a screw loose. Like everything else it boils down to a matter of opinion.
     
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    Some people do have an unhealthy obsession with the death penalty, that's for damn sure.

    My personal opinion is that we should keep it around, but only use it for extraordinary cases. I'm talking about acts so exceedingly cruel and depraved, that no other form of punishment would feel like it fits the crime. We're talking so rare, that if more than two people are on death row at any given time per decade, it's being too liberally applied.

    We're talking prolific serial killers, crimes against humanity, and people who text and drive here.
     
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    On one hand I support the death penalty for use in extremely heinous crimes that are proven without a shadow of a doubt. On the other hand, It's banned in my state and I'm totally fine with that.
     
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    It has too much potential for abuse. I also never subscribed to the idea that it had anything to do with justice or punishment. We place people in prison to mitigate their impact on the rest of us. Receiving a parking ticket is punishment, but you won't be arrested for them. There's no point in sequestering people for that reason, because they aren't likely to impact others in a significant way.
     
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    That would be my personal take on it. In the most heinous of the heinous the walk to old sparky is well deserved, but if it were banned nationally I would not fret over it either.
     
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    I agree with the death penalty in concept but not in practice. Too many innocent people die and the process costs way too much money. Also, I question if dying is a worse penalty for a heinous crime than rotting in prision for life. I personally would rather die.
     
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    The old lethal injection was an overdose of barbiturate followed by a drug that stops the heart. Frankly, an overdose of barbiturate is a far less distressing death than dying of cancer, pneumonia, heart failure, etc. The barbiturates cause a sleep-like state, then a coma, and then circulatory and respiratory collapse. You go to sleep and don't wake up. It's how animals are euthanised if they are too sick to treat. It's the way I would want to go if I learned I had an incurable degenerative disease. However, the last part of the cocktail, which stops the heart, has god-only-knows what effect on the dying nervous system. For all we know it causes neurons to be active. Add to that that Europe won't sell barbiturates to the US any more, making the process far more unreliable, and the known biases and errors in sentencing people to death penalty, and I have to say that I do not think the death penalty should be used except in very rare extreme cases.
     
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    Being beaten, raped, tortured, and burned alive while fully aware by some sick sadistic individual during the last moments of life is the worst this imaginable for me.
     
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    That is what we call a deterrent, only the worst crimes get you the death penelty so unless you are plotting a multiple homicide you'll be fine. As for the people who committed the crimes to land themselves there, I'd much rather see them tied to four bourses and pulled apart.
     
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    I think they should be harvested for organs so their deaths result in good for others.
     
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    I understand. People have different preferences. I'd prefere to die as I lived - sober.

    I think there are only two reasonable options.

    1. Letem choose their death.
    2. Kill them the way they killed their victims.
    3. Abandon this barbaric practice completely.

    Everything else is clearly cruel and unusual.
     
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    I wonder, how would one truly know that? Do they take brain scans/reading while testing?
     
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    "Cruelty" is like hard-core pornography: "I know it when I see it". Putting someone to death by injection is not cruel.

    As for "unusual", letting each dead-man-walking choose his or her own method of execution would by definition be unusual. Better to just have lethal injections.
     
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    Letting people choose how they are executed is the ethical thing. Or my other options mentioned. No point arguing about it since it's subjective.
    Obviously every person has a vastly different understanding of what is unusual or cruel. Thtat makes you think what the point of any law is, since its interpretation is arbitrary anyway.
     
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    Society at large says injection it's not cruel and unusual. Going quietly in your sleep is incredibly far from cruel and unusual.

    Since you are the bizarre outlier, the onus is on you to explain how the rest of society is incorrect.
     
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    I say stake them to the ground and let the ants, crows and weather take their time.
     
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    I explained above, what would be the right thing to do.
    What else is there to explain?
     
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    You gave your opinion, which as stated, was not compelling.
     
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    Except it doesn't work as a deterrent.

    And your last suggestion would definitely be considered cruel and unusual.
     
  25. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    Please add barbaric, criminal, sadistic, inhuman, and baffling.

    Baffling, because it's beyond me why people so openly advertise that they endorse practices long considered beneath the human race to engage in.
     

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