How The GOP Could Win Back The Country In 5 Simple Steps

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by bobber205, Jul 23, 2010.

  1. bobber205 macrumors 68020


    Nov 15, 2005
    1) The Tea Party MUST become dead to them asap. Idiots like Bauchmann and Steele need to go.

    2) Do something about Fox News

    3) Immediately banish (or something) any Republican that calls Obama a socialist. They need to reign in their crazies. (See Step 1)

    4) Start proposing more centered (for this country) legislation. Take some Democratic ideas from the majority. (Obama has shown, sometimes painfully to the left, that is he MORE than willing to listen to the GOP.

    5) Advertise how much they're working together with the Democrats. Moderates would eat this up. Their support would be more than enough to make up for the loss of the crazy extreme far right.

    I very much understand the strategy their following at the moment. It's an "all or nothing" type of play. But if it fails, they're in big trouble. This doesn't seem smart at all. But I guess with the general ignorance of the American populace, maybe it is the wisest strategy.

    But it does fall into their pattern of "START OVER" type of strategy they apply to all legislation. They were heavily involved with the Healthcare conferences. The bill that came into existence a few months later was very similar to what they had influence on. But instead of making constructive criticism while still supporting a bill that had lots of Republican ideas in it, they claimed we needed to start over.

    /rant :p

    Edit: I fail at basic math. :D
  2. leekohler macrumors G5


    Dec 22, 2004
    Chicago, Illinois
    They have to stop hating gay people too. Everyone is getting real sick of that crap.
  3. MyDesktopBroke macrumors 6502

    Jun 2, 2007
    They need to take a page from David Cameron's book. His Tories (the English GoP, kinda) won big because of his efforts to reverse their "icky party" image. That's what the GoP have in America right now. They're anti everything. They're pandering to their fringe base, which is horrifying.

    One of the first things Cameron did was purpose major spending cuts (but keeping England's socialized medical system, surprise, surprise) and a 30% tax increase spread across the board. His approval ratings went up after he made the choice. Until the GoP can say they'll do the same (cut the hideously bloated military spending, raise taxes on the rich, etc.) no one will buy their phony message of trying to reign in the deficit.

    No one with a good head on their shoulders, anyway.
  4. leekohler macrumors G5


    Dec 22, 2004
    Chicago, Illinois
    You overestimate the intelligence of the American people.
  5. niuniu macrumors 68020


    Mar 29, 2009
    A man of the people. The right sort of people.
    It's hard to get moderates to trust you if you've been associated with crazies or prejudice. To follow on with the example of Cameron and the Tories - even though Labour took us to war and we went into recession on their watch, the Tories still couldn't get a majority..

    ...because they were still associated with actions and views that were too far right, much of which had changed since Thatcher, but they couldn't shake.

    I can't imagine what damage it would do to your political party to have any sort of association to that Tea Party movement. If that was in the UK - it would be political suicide.

    We haven't had that here so it's hard for us to really draw a good analogy - we haven't had the BNP say associate themselves with the Tory party. If that happened, I don't Cameron would have won close to as many seats.
  6. Heilage macrumors 68030


    May 1, 2009
    Seems like they have to become a completely different party.

    I guess it would work.
  7. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    Could the GOP ever get my vote?

    They'd have to...

    1. be libertarian on social issues.

    2. They can be fiscally conservative, but they'd have to uphold some kind of social safety net... and it would have to be a good one.

    4. embrace regulating commerce... one of their few enumerated Constitutional duties.

    5. be bipartisan.

    3. endorse political and election reform.​
  8. Eraserhead macrumors G4


    Nov 3, 2005
    The US people have in general had it pretty good - and those that haven't can't experience other countries so don't know what its like (and its not as if Europe doesn't have its problems too).

    With the rise and rise of Asia and with America making more fundamental errors hopefully the complacency wont continue.
  9. leekohler macrumors G5


    Dec 22, 2004
    Chicago, Illinois
    It's not complacency. It's stupidity.
  10. KingYaba macrumors 68040


    Aug 7, 2005
    Up the irons
    Texas GOP platform is a mixed bag.

    The Good:

    Banning the Use of Red Light Cameras

    Vote Revelation Requirement – All bills passed in the U. S. House of Representatives or the U. S. Senate should require
    a recorded vote, and that the bill voted on not be changed after the vote

    Real ID Act – As the Real ID Act effectively creates an unconstitutional and privacy-inhibiting national ID card, we hereby
    call for its immediate repeal.

    The Ugly:

    Constitutional Convention – We oppose any constitutional convention to rewrite the United States Constitution. .

    Ten Commandments – We oppose any governmental action to restrict, prohibit, or remove public display of the
    Decalogue or other religious symbols.

    Pledge of Allegiance – We support adoption of the Pledge Protection Act. We also demand that the National Motto “In
    God We Trust” and National Anthem be protected from legislative and judicial attack.

    American English – We support adoption of American English as the official language of Texas and of the United States.

    Flag Desecration – Any form of desecration of the American Flag is an act of disregard for our nation and its people and
    penalties should be established for such.

    The platform is so damn long a]nd it gets worse as you read. Teaching sex in schools is taboo and should only be abstinence until "heterosexual marriage." I guess condom use and info on HIV is bad. :rolleyes:

    Have fun.
  11. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

    Thomas Veil

    Feb 14, 2004
    OBJECTIVE reality
    That's a pretty frightening mixture of nationalism, theocracy and just plain stick-up-their-ass-ism.
  12. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    How is this "the Good"?

    What is wrong with it?
  13. zioxide macrumors 603


    Dec 11, 2006
    The GOP should first focus on trying to become an actual republican party and not a bunch of stupid ass neocons who just want to go to war and only care about making more money for their buddies in big business.

    If the GOP actually wins in November, it just proves that Americans are a bunch of stupid ****ing morons. Bush had 8 years to **** all this **** up yet everyone is pissed that Obama hasn't fixed it all in just two short years. Guess what, policy changes take a long time to have a real effect. The economy and everything is slowly starting to turn around but it's going to take time. The worst possible thing we could do at this point is take away the dem's majority in the house and/or senate and completely handicap congress from getting anything done because they'll just keep fighting between each other.
  14. Gelfin macrumors 68020


    Sep 18, 2001
    Denver, CO
    The purpose of red lights, and laws enforcing adherence to them, is to regulate traffic and thus to make driving safer. In practice red light cameras paradoxically have the opposite effect.

    The cameras themselves are expensive devices. They must generate enough ticket revenue to pay for themselves. Fear of being caught by the red light camera is in fact so effective a deterrent that the cameras are a revenue sink. Almost universally towns that install them respond by adjusting traffic flow (light sequence and timing) so as to increase violations by making mistakes easier to make, and thus maximize revenue in the hopes of offsetting the cost of the camera. In many cases this has led to yellow light intervals being set shorter than allowed by law.

    Meanwhile, drivers are still conscientious about not getting caught on camera, only now they have to do increasingly risky things to avoid it, like slamming on brakes at a sudden light change, leading to an increase in accidents around the intersection caused not by a violation but by the desperate attempt to avoid one.

    It's an example of a technology that succeeds itself to death. It works, yet makes the roads no safer and costs a lot of money, and leads your public officials into an exclusive choice between using traffic laws to increase safety of the public or using them to generate revenue. Abandoning the cameras turns out, counterintuitively, to be the right choice on both fronts.
  15. spblat macrumors 6502a


    Jun 18, 2010
    OP, you may be interested in reading David Frum. He's been a loud advocate lately for purging the stupid crap from the GOP.

    I'm hopeful the GOP can pull itself together and get back to leading with sound ideas. But division politics gets votes, so I don't see the shenanigans ending anytime soon.
  16. mactastic macrumors 68040


    Apr 24, 2003
    Fascinating theory. Is there any empirical evidence that intersections are less safe after camera installation?
  17. Gelfin macrumors 68020


    Sep 18, 2001
    Denver, CO
    Lots, apparently. Sorry, should have googled that up and linked it to start with.
  18. Iscariot macrumors 68030


    Aug 16, 2007
    Interesting corrollary, speed indicator displays are supposedly more effective when they display a simple smiley/frowny face as opposed to the actual speed the vehicle is doing.
  19. Gelfin macrumors 68020


    Sep 18, 2001
    Denver, CO
    Hunh. I presume you mean roadside displays with radar and not the car's speedometer, yes? Very interesting, though. I hesitate to even speculate on the psychology that might lead to results like that.
  20. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    Somebody should alert the Seattle Police Chief...

    Red light cameras too good for their own good?

    Then again, a study by the University of South Florida College of Public Health found the opposite...

    “The rigorous studies clearly show red-light cameras don’t work,” said lead author Barbara Langland-Orban, professor and chair of health policy and management at the USF College of Public Health. “Instead, they increase crashes and injuries as drivers attempt to abruptly stop at camera intersections. If used in Florida, cameras could potentially create even worse outcomes due to the state’s high percent of elderly who are more likely to be injured or killed when a crash occurs.”

    Sounds like the whole question can use more studies and tinkering.

    I wouldn't write off the entire concept just yet.
  21. Tomorrow macrumors 604


    Mar 2, 2008
    Always a day away
    They snap a picture of the car's license plate, but they don't identify the driver.

    Ticketing a vehicle owner without proving that the driver was even in the car doesn't sit well with everyone.

    Another problem - there's an intersection within a few miles of my house that snaps pictures (I've seen the flash from the cameras) while cars are passing through with a green light. I've also seen it snap pictures of cars legally turning left. So at least some of these cameras are either defective, or not correctly programmed; and there's no recourse for the ticketed car owner.

    Not to mention the news stories of people getting burned by too-short yellow lights.
  22. mactastic macrumors 68040


    Apr 24, 2003
    Yeah, I know some people for whom the goal is to get the highest "score" on the roadside radars since they know there aren't cameras attached. Same folks like to use the mileage gauge in their cars to see how low they can get it to read.
  23. citizenzen macrumors 65816

    Mar 22, 2010
    You don't know who drives your car?

    I know everybody who drives my car.

    I'd probably have a very good idea about who was behind the wheel when it ran that red.

    In the news video that I posted a link to, the Seattle cops review every infraction, looking for clear instances of a violation... and you can review the video yourself and contest the citation.

    If that green nets you a ticket, then it sounds more like bad policing than failed technology.
  24. yojitani macrumors 68000


    Apr 28, 2005
    An octopus's garden
    Wait. What? "Won Big"? They don't even have a majority in the House. The Lib Dems appear to already be in the throws of splintering. The Tories weren't just 'icky', they've been plagued by a horrendous line of 'leaders' - William Vague, The Silent Man, etc. Even though people despise(d) him, if Blair had been leader I'd wager that Labour would still be in power. Cameron isn't that good, Brown was that bad.

    Anyway, the GOP seem to be doing fine in my reckoning. As long as they can continue to divide opinion and obfuscate facts and Obama policy generally, Obama will be a one term president. This last Sherrod incident just highlights how absolutely inept the Dems and the Whitehouse are at PR. Perhaps that was the point of the whole incident in the first place.

    I'd really like to see US politics with a bit more spit and bile from both sides. When are Dems and their supporters going to start pulling out more Republican dirty laundry? Sex scandals are so 1990s now....
  25. mactastic, Jul 25, 2010
    Last edited by a moderator: Dec 23, 2010

    mactastic macrumors 68040


    Apr 24, 2003
    While I largely agree with your other points, I think you're wrong here. Why? Because the GOP isn't going to nominate someone who will appeal broadly. The lunatics are running the asylum these days, and any candidate who doesn't talk to the base in terms similar to Ron Paul or Jim DeMint is going to be toast in a primary.

    This idea that the Tea Party is some kind of amalgam of the left, middle, and right all fed up over government takeovers and excessive taxation that seems to pervade the talking heads is simply not true. So if the Tea Partyers nominate someone who appeals to only a third of the nation, Obama will still win -- even if relatively unpopular. The 2004 election comes to mind. Bush was already sort of unpopular, but the nation just wasn't willing to switch to John Kerry.

    We'll see. If Obama's approval numbers go the way of Bush's, the GOP has a chance. Otherwise he'll survive.

    Plus I think there's a decent chance for a conservative independent challenge this time if the GOP looks like they're going to nominate a non-Limbaugh approved candidate. The Tea Partyers really have themselves convinced that they represent a majority of the nation. I wouldn't be surprised to see them throw their support behind a "true conservative" and split the conservative vote away from the eventual GOP nominee.

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