How To Fix America?

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Huntn, Dec 15, 2017.

  1. Huntn, Dec 15, 2017
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    This discussion belongs no where near a Roy Moore thread, so I took the liberty of moving it here.

    That (Rubio) would be a small positive thing in an overall disaster. The sad thing is I view the GOP as the primary threat controlling both houses of Congress, so my knee jerk response is to say people stop voting for these people!

    That said, we as a country need to get our fiscal house in order period. We need to stop running credit card wars. My understanding this is the first time in our history where taxes were not raised to finance a war. W did not do it because of the insistence of his party that they don’t raise taxes. What they do do, since Reagan is pile on debt while dishonestly wearing their fooled you, I’m a fiscal conservative cloak. ...and their base bought it and continues to buy it. I will apply this to any party in charge. For the Republicans, it is a fundamental failure in honesty, about their true ideology. Apparantly staying in power has become more important than paying our bills.

    The second problem is liberal vs conservative priorities. Conservatives/GOP are corporatists, are wealth centric, to a point of handing millionaires welfare while letting our infrastructure fall down around us. As you referenced, look at this tax bill, Republican arms are having to be being twisted to make sure child tax credit remain because average/poor kids just don’t stack up on their priority list as compared to corporate and the 1%’s interests.

    Conservatives view corporations and the wealthy as sources of wealth that makes their world go around, and grease the wheels for them. The idea is eventually a few crumbs will fall off the plate for everyone else to fight over. It’s called Supply side economics or trickle down. It’s been tried before and did not benefit average people, but it was a windfall for the wealthy as it will be again.

    ———————The Middle——————

    Liberals/Democrats are more focused on a level playing field, opportunity, and a healthier society with without the divergence in wealth between the 1%, the shrinking middle class, and the growing poor. They want to raise taxes transferring some amount of wealth from the haves to the have-nots.

    So you can see the middle (illustrated above) where we will see compromise if any happens. I won’t hold my breath. The real threat to the GOP world will be when a tipping point in wealth divergence occurs, resulting in a mob showing up on the mansion’s doorstep with ropes and pitchforks. Then it will be too late. Another threat on the horizon which will rock our fiscal world is automation.
     
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    Both sides no longer see reality in the same way. I don’t think that can be changed, or our problems fixed. The best solution is a constitutional amendment to create a legal process for a state or part of a state to leave the Union. The US will eventually fall apart, do we want to create the opportunity for a peaceful process or do we want another civil war over it?
     
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    I've said this repeatedly: (solely) Publicly-funded Elections. Each funded by appropriate level-of-Election (eg: Federal, State, County, City...etc). Let Politicians compete on their ideas and actions...

    *edit* oh, and a Federal Budget-balancing Law/Amendment would be good also. It might initially be very difficult to stomach - but we'll see what people's priorities really are once the money is limited...
     
  4. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    There is no fix. There are too many selfish, narrow-minded people who don't believe in contributing to a modern well-functioning society. We're faced with incredible challenges, yet there is little will to even acknowledge them, let alone the desire to address them.
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    Publicly funded elections would be a good step, but until we incorporate proportional representation we will always be at the mercy of a two party system.
     
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    Which broken thing specifically are we trying to solution for here?
     
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    Well, I don't disagree with you. That said, the 2-Party system was able to accomplish quite a bit Historically...
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    The US could also go the Logans Run route - Social Security taken care of. Health Care costs reigned in. Also, we have plenty of big Stadiums for us "elderly" to float around and explode in for ratings!
     
  7. Huntn, Dec 15, 2017
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    Unless we collectively come to our senses, and understand we are stronger together than we could ever hope to be broken down into individual States which is possible (coming to our senses), a civil war might eventually happen, but the people who think they’d be better off living in the Republic of Texas, for example, plainly stated are out of their minds.

    Can you really picture a group of counties trying to function as a country? Texas with the help of Federal infusions of cash barely has enough money to scrape by as it is. :oops:
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    I support this wholeheartedly, but good luck getting the National Party’s to agree. Well, maybe I am biased, but I can see the Democrats agreeing to this before the GOP.
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    We>Me just does not resonate with enough of us.
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    Hint: A functional Federal Govt, running in the black, not the red, while nurturing a healthy and happy society.
     
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    Everyone wants to complain about a two party system, but nobody wants to really do anything about it.
     
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    At least for the larger states much of the money that currently goes to the Federal government could be redirected to the state government if they became an independent nation. Also individual states would not be likely to want to have quite as large of a military so spending could be cut there to make them viable countries.
     
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    You mentioned parts of States. Many of the would be rebel states take more from the federal government than they give.
     
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    There has to be a cap on greed. The population grows, jobs leave, and more money goes into fewer hands. Social security is a drop in the bucket compared to tax breaks for the wealthy and corporate CEO wages.
     
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    Yes, I was thinking that if there are some counties that want to stay in a state that wants to leave they should be able to do that, like how West Virginia broke off of Virginia during the Civil War.
     
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    Like all things time will fix all of this..

    The current crop of politicians are old they are boomers with all the draw backs and benefits of that generation. When the X'ers take power we'll see the change that the nation needs, then will come the millennials who will codify and live the change. We had a GenX president in Obama though he's on the old side when we get a majority of X'ers in congress and the White house things will pivot drastically and quickly we're in the last throws of the me generation, just be patient.
     
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    Thank you for the hint. Since your thread is titled “How to fix America”, I was wondering if you thought we lived in Venezuela or Somalia or something. ;)

    But if we’re talking about the federal government (which I don’t equate to America as a whole), then, IMO, the two-party system and the way money influences campaigns are probably the biggest problems. I don’t think there is anything you can do about either, so I think the best option is to try to limit the power/scope of the federal government.
     
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    Let IBM's Watson AI balance the budget ... federal, state, and city wide. That would take all the bias out.
     
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    You are the one asked what we are trying to fix... :p
    What you actually mean by limiting the power/scope of the Federal Govt needs to be clarified.
     
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    I agree. And the quickest way to fix that is a constitutional amendment for a balanced budget. This needs to be Priority One. Then the two sides (conservatives and liberals) can do one of two things: 1) Compromise - actually work together to come up with policies then benefit all within the budget, or 2) keep switching party control every 4-8 years where one party spends half the time trying to undo everything the other party did and get nothing accomplished.

    Second, get rid of baseline budgeting. Automatic increases in Departmental budgets is one of the biggest issues. Only in DC is getting a 5% increase instead of 8% a "cut".
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    Especially those who control the two parties.
     
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    I like this, many States have Constitutions which require balanced budgets. Let’s do it before we become Greece or Italy. :eek:
     
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    America is still controlled by a dying conservative minority hellbent on clinging to power here. But the population mix in the USA is based largely on the socialist ideas of the younger people who do not share right wing conservative positions at all. This is what will save America in that this country will eventually become firmly socialist and we will see the raising of taxes on the rich who have for too long gouged the majority of the people in this nation. When you enforce punitive measure on the rich leechers then you will be able to pay down the debt. A second unexplored option is to cut the defense budget in half. There are many options but right wing conservative won't go there.
     
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    They say Texas will be purple any day now. By the demographics it should already be purple. When it actually happens, I’ll be tickled pink, if the kooks don’t manage to turn us into a Republic with their dying political gasp.
     
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    It was a perfectly valid question that needed asked of a vague ambiguous question. The first step in problem-solving is to accurately define the problem.

     
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    Means test social security and medical benefits.

    It's interesting that the first time I've heard anything about being fiscally responsible from democrats is the year they aren't in office though, that's convenient.
     
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    Well, maybe it was just me but I was completely confused by your thread title. I thought you literally meant America was broken.

    I mean the federal government does way too much and the expectation seems to be that it should be doing more. I disagree completely.

    Take law enforcement. Why do we have a DEA, and an ATF? Why can’t they be two units under the FBI? Add onto that the US Marshall’s and that’s four federal level law enforcement groups that are doing very similar things.

    Why do we need a federal level department of education that overseas K-12 education that is administered and paid for locally?

    What about federal regulators? I work in banking and we have the following:

    Consumer Finance and Protection Bureau
    Office of the Comptroller of the currency
    Federal Trade Commision
    Federal Reserve
    Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation

    That’s just a few, and that’s just for the retail/commercial banking side. Throw in a few more for the trading/wealth management side of things.

    We have over 400 federal regulatory agencies in the US that are trying to enforce what has to be millions of pages worth of federal regulation. The Dodd Frank act alone is over 2,000 pages long. This act is supposed to protect consumers from abusive banking practices and it’s liteally too long for any consumer to read. Maybe if we had fewer/easier-to-understand regulations, lobbyists wouldn’t be able to easily slip nefarious loopholes into them and corporations wouldn’t have as much of an incentive to work so hard to influence elections.

    And listen, I’m not saying that we don’t need any legislation or any federal regulators. But what we have today is a mess. And it’s an expensive one. It would be a heck of a lot easier to have a balanced budget if we weren’t paying bureaucrats to do things that aren’t all that necessary.
     
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    There is nothing to "Fix"--it is working just fine.
     
  25. citizenzen macrumors 65816

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    As a fellow Californian, I do have to recognize and appreciate a bona fide “California attitude.”

    It is fine, dude.

    Totally fine.
     

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