How to get older versions of iLife and iWork apps for my 10.7.5

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My iMac was bought used without any of these apps. The machine had Leopard preloaded onto it and even then it didn't have them. I tried to install Snow Leopard (which I had to in order to install Lion) clean instead of upgrading and of course nothing happened. The last thing I realized i could do was buy them from App Store but to my surprise, they were all Mavericks only. So how can I buy any of these apps compatible with Lion today?

Note: I am aware I can redownload a compatible version if I had purchased them before but I have never purchased any of these before, as I've been using PowerPC until February of this year when I finally made the switch to Intel!
 

Altemose

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My iMac was bought used without any of these apps. The machine had Leopard preloaded onto it and even then it didn't have them. I tried to install Snow Leopard (which I had to in order to install Lion) clean instead of upgrading and of course nothing happened. The last thing I realized i could do was buy them from App Store but to my surprise, they were all Mavericks only. So how can I buy any of these apps compatible with Lion today?

Note: I am aware I can redownload a compatible version if I had purchased them before but I have never purchased any of these before, as I've been using PowerPC until February of this year when I finally made the switch to Intel!
You can either order the disks through AppleCare, freely upgrade to Mavericks (if your Mac is supported) and purchase through the App Store, or purchase the disks used from a retailer such as eBay, Amazon, ShopGoodwill, etc.
 

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You can either order the disks through AppleCare, freely upgrade to Mavericks (if your Mac is supported) and purchase through the App Store, or purchase the disks used from a retailer such as eBay, Amazon, ShopGoodwill, etc.
My mac is a Late 2006 1.83GHz C2D iMac with 2GB RAM 160GB HD and a combo drive. Never really heard of this config outside of wikipedia, what kind of model is it? curious to know. So i can get them from applecare? This mac is long outta warranty...
 

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My mac is a Late 2006 1.83GHz C2D iMac with 2GB RAM 160GB HD and a combo drive. Never really heard of this config outside of wikipedia, what kind of model is it? curious to know. So i can get them from applecare? This mac is long outta warranty...

AppleCare should be able to ship them. You want an iLife '11 disk.
 

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Your iMac is a 5,2 model, maximum OS : Lion 10.7.5 (you can't upgrade to Mountain Lion nor Mavericks).


See Mactracker (App Store).
Yes i know it's a 5,2
But this configuration seems like an educational one or something
 

Bruno09

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Yes i know it's a 5,2
But this configuration seems like an educational one or something
That's why I suggested you have a look at what Mactracker says :

September 2006
Discontinued August 2007
Model Identifier iMac5,2
Model Number A1195
EMC 2124
Order Number MA710LL

Processor Intel Core 2 Duo (T5600) ("Merom")
Processor Speed 1.83 GHz
Architecture 64-bit
Number of Cores 2
Cache 2 MB shared L2 cache at full processor speed
System Bus 667 MHz
STORAGE AND MEDIA

Storage 160 GB 7200-rpm
Media 24x Combo drive (DVD/CD-RW)

History :

Announced in September 2006, the iMac (Late 2006) unified the iMac (Early 2006) and iMac (Mid 2006) lines in to a single product line, upgrading the processor of all models to Intel Core 2 Duo and adding a 24" high-end model in the process.
The iMac (Late 2006) was available in 4 configurations.
The low-end 17" 1.83 GHz model, previously available only to the education market, had a less expensive graphics chipset, no onboard Bluetooth, 512 MB of RAM and a 160 GB hard drive, and sold for $999 U.S.
The 17" 2.0 GHz added a faster ATI Radeon X1600 graphics card, 1 GB of RAM, Bluetooth, an Apple Remote, and a SuperDrive for $1,199 U.S. The 2.16 GHz 20" model added a larger screen and included a 250 GB hard drive, for $1,499 U.S.
Finally, a new 2.16 GHz 24" model included a faster NVIDIA GeForce 7300GT graphics card and a FireWire 800 port for $1,999 U.S. All models included an integrated iSight camera, and BTO configurations allowed processors as fast as 2.33 GHz.
 

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That's why I suggested you have a look at what Mactracker says :

September 2006
Discontinued August 2007
Model Identifier iMac5,2
Model Number A1195
EMC 2124
Order Number MA710LL

Processor Intel Core 2 Duo (T5600) ("Merom")
Processor Speed 1.83 GHz
Architecture 64-bit
Number of Cores 2
Cache 2 MB shared L2 cache at full processor speed
System Bus 667 MHz
STORAGE AND MEDIA

Storage 160 GB 7200-rpm
Media 24x Combo drive (DVD/CD-RW)

History :

Announced in September 2006, the iMac (Late 2006) unified the iMac (Early 2006) and iMac (Mid 2006) lines in to a single product line, upgrading the processor of all models to Intel Core 2 Duo and adding a 24" high-end model in the process.
The iMac (Late 2006) was available in 4 configurations.
The low-end 17" 1.83 GHz model, previously available only to the education market, had a less expensive graphics chipset, no onboard Bluetooth, 512 MB of RAM and a 160 GB hard drive, and sold for $999 U.S.
The 17" 2.0 GHz added a faster ATI Radeon X1600 graphics card, 1 GB of RAM, Bluetooth, an Apple Remote, and a SuperDrive for $1,199 U.S. The 2.16 GHz 20" model added a larger screen and included a 250 GB hard drive, for $1,499 U.S.
Finally, a new 2.16 GHz 24" model included a faster NVIDIA GeForce 7300GT graphics card and a FireWire 800 port for $1,999 U.S. All models included an integrated iSight camera, and BTO configurations allowed processors as fast as 2.33 GHz.
OK i see now. it's a low end configuration designed for entry level and education markets. I was thinking it was education only and wondered how a private owner got it, brand new apparently, and he wasn't a teacher.

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AppleCare should be able to ship them. You want an iLife '11 disk.
How to pay? I hate to use my credit card a lot so do apple store cards work?
 

Altemose

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OK i see now. it's a low end configuration designed for entry level and education markets. I was thinking it was education only and wondered how a private owner got it, brand new apparently, and he wasn't a teacher.

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How to pay? I hate to use my credit card a lot so do apple store cards work?

Sometimes they will ship them for free. Expect to pay and you may be pleasantly surprised.
 

mojolicious

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The last thing I realized i could do was buy them from App Store but to my surprise, they were all Mavericks only.
It's really poor that Apple aren't prepared to sell older versions of their own applications and operating systems via the App Store or Apple Stores. The only reason I can think of for not doing so is the possibility of purchasers ignoring all warning messages and downloading the wrong version?
 

Altemose

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It's really poor that Apple aren't prepared to sell older versions of their own applications and operating systems via the App Store or Apple Stores. The only reason I can think of for not doing so is the possibility of purchasers ignoring all warning messages and downloading the wrong version?
The functionality was added in OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion. Unfortunately, Snow Leopard and Lion which both have the App Store do not have this feature of "Last Compatible Version".
 

mojolicious

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The functionality was added in OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion. Unfortunately, Snow Leopard and Lion which both have the App Store do not have this feature of "Last Compatible Version".
I'm confused as to what functionality you're referring to.

Viewing the App Store from 10.9 I can see I'll allow me to purchase iPhoto 9.5.1 (I refuse to have it in the house). What if I've got an additional iMac C2D running iPhoto 8, and wish to buy a copy of iPhoto 8 to install on my 10.9 machine so the photo library remains shareable?

What if the HDD in that old iMac fails, and I discover (quite plausibly) that the retail 10.6 installation DVD is unreliable and cannot be used? Why can't I pay another £xx and download an ISO of 10.6 to my 10.9 Mac? Because for me, and I'd imagine the majority of users, the current options in order of attractiveness are:
1) take a copy of a friend's install DVD
2) buy a sealed install DVD from eBay (~£20)
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99) spend time on the phone to Apple (something that wouldn't immediately occur to many people, in the UK at least), make a card transaction, and wait for the post
 

Altemose

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I'm confused as to what functionality you're referring to.

Viewing the App Store from 10.9 I can see I'll allow me to purchase iPhoto 9.5.1 (I refuse to have it in the house). What if I've got an additional iMac C2D running iPhoto 8, and wish to buy a copy of iPhoto 8 to install on my 10.9 machine so the photo library remains shareable?

What if the HDD in that old iMac fails, and I discover (quite plausibly) that the retail 10.6 installation DVD is unreliable and cannot be used? Why can't I pay another £xx and download an ISO of 10.6 to my 10.9 Mac? Because for me, and I'd imagine the majority of users, the current options in order of attractiveness are:
1) take a copy of a friend's install DVD
2) buy a sealed install DVD from eBay (~£20)
...
...
...
...
99) spend time on the phone to Apple (something that wouldn't immediately occur to many people, in the UK at least), make a card transaction, and wait for the post
Let me give an example. I set up a freshly install 10.8 on a brand new hard drive. I already purchase the iLife applications before, so they are linked to my Apple ID. When I go to "Purchases" I will be told that it is compatible with 10.9 or later (Newest Versions Requirement), however I can download the last version to run under 10.8.

Snow Leopard was never released as a download but disks can be purchased through Apple.
 

mojolicious

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I set up a freshly install 10.8 on a brand new hard drive. I already purchase the iLife applications before, so they are linked to my Apple ID. When I go to "Purchases" I will be told that it is compatible with 10.9 or later (Newest Versions Requirement), however I can download the last version to run under 10.8.
So currently it only works in cases of iApps with a 10.8/10.9 version mismatch?

Snow Leopard was never released as a download but disks can be purchased through Apple.
No, but it *should* be available. I can see why you'd be asked to jump through a couple of hoops before downloading a *free* copy of an OS or app, but if you're prepared to pay for the software then Apple really should facilitate the transaction.
 

Altemose

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So currently it only works in cases of iApps with a 10.8/10.9 version mismatch?


No, but it *should* be available. I can see why you'd be asked to jump through a couple of hoops before downloading a *free* copy of an OS or app, but if you're prepared to pay for the software then Apple really should facilitate the transaction.
Any application is capable. Say that Microsoft moves the OneNote application's requirement to 10.9. The final version to support Mountain Lion is lets say 1.5 and the new 1.6 requires Mavericks. If on a Mountain Lion machine, someone tries to download it, then the App Store will offer to let them download 1.5 which is the last copy to run on ML.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5919

It is all described in that knowledge base article!
 

mojolicious

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It is all described in that knowledge base article!
Indeed it is.

I've no idea why App Store is an application rather than a website (for ease of locking down in a business environment, perhaps?) but it seems odd that they can't/won't extend the functionality to pre-10.8 versions.

Or, perhaps, just offer every bleedin' version and trust people to download the appropriate revision for their OS version.
 

Altemose

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Indeed it is.

I've no idea why App Store is an application rather than a website (for ease of locking down in a business environment, perhaps?) but it seems odd that they can't/won't extend the functionality to pre-10.8 versions.

Or, perhaps, just offer every bleedin' version and trust people to download the appropriate revision for their OS version.
Apple is the type of stripping the old and in with the new. Why did they cut Rosetta in 10.7 and not let people install it? Same principle applies.