How We Became the United States of France

Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by fivepoint, Sep 22, 2008.

  1. fivepoint macrumors 65816

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    Interesting article from Time Magazine. Thought you'd all like to discuss.
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1843168,00.html?cnn=yes


    Ron Paul's Thoughts:
    - It's unconstitutional.
    - It's an unnecessary power grab by the government.
    - It's looking to avoid some short-term pain only to ensure continuation of the original problem which is the government manipulating and over-regulating the markets through the illegal Federal Reserve. We all lose in the end.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qLefrvxbq8
     
  2. fivepoint thread starter macrumors 65816

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122204078161261183.html

    Things to Blame:
     
  3. Agathon macrumors 6502a

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    I hate to say it, but you aren't France. They have a higher standard of living and a better health system than you guys.

    If I was French, I would be appalled at your impudence in making the comparison, just as if I were Dutch I would be appalled at you saying that you were the freest country in the world. ;)
     
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    I don't think French people would (quite rightly) be very impressed by the comparison.
     
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    Yep, ever since Freedom Fries.

    Remember them??

    Next step, the justice system.

    Guilty, until proven innocent.
     
  7. jplan2008 macrumors regular

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    Except this is an "Opinion" piece by an unknown author (I couldn't find who the author was, anyway). Backed up by few facts, and the few "facts" had no sources cited.

    I don't get the France connection either.
     
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    It's crazy, isn't it. It's almost as if the people that write these articles have never been to France, let alone lived there. France is a wonderful country with one of (if not...) the best healthcare systems in the world. It has more culture than most countries, better food and drink and a much more relaxed lifestyle.
     
  9. leekohler macrumors G5

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    Yeah, I know.

    Fivepoint, just a note to you- if you want to be taken seriously in this forum, it would serve you well to avoid the histrionic approach with opinion pieces like this one. ;)
     
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    I can only echo the sentiments already in this thread.

    We aren't France.

    I wish we were.
     
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    It would probably get quite confusing with two countries named "France".
     
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    Don't spoil his fun, Lee. As proof as to how bad British dentistry is, he once cited a Time Magazine article from 1945 wartime England. This is just scratching the surface.
     
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    Is British dentistry bad? Who knew? :D
     
  16. it5five macrumors 65816

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    I had forgotten about that. Now I'm sitting here laughing again. Thank you.
     
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    A picture of a woman one week before entering England

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    After a week in England, this is how she looked...

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  18. it5five macrumors 65816

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    And hopefully you will have killed the thread with that picture.
     
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    He does make a good table, though :D
     
  20. és: macrumors 6502a

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    It's undeniable evidence. I expect it to be used against me by FivePoint at some stage.
     
  21. hulugu macrumors 68000

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    Well, color me unimpressed. Like the earlier article by the Investor's Business Daily, even the once-laudable WSJ has given itself over to ideological concerns and some simplistic scapegoating.

    The problem was manifold, complex, and resulted because of both governmental influence and the lack thereof. Furthermore, there is a 7-layer dip of incompetence running through this story. From home-buyers who bought palaces on shack salaries, from the mortgage brokers who signed them, to the bundlers who hid these bad loans among good ones and all the way up to the CEOs and the SEC chairman.

    Frankly, if a corporation takes the government's assignation that a 40-to-1 or 11-1 leveraging is okay, this company is still stupid for doing so. That the government gave them enough rope to hang themselves doesn't put the government at fault. It's like blaming the casino when you go all in during a poker game.
    And, that Lehman Bros and others used the buyout of Bear-Sterns as an excuse to continue with an obviously flawed business model just proves how stupid a corporation can be.

    The only innocent in this story are regular homebuyers, students preparing to go to college, and a few others. Every once should sit on their hands, especially those clowns on Wall Street.
     
  22. fivepoint thread starter macrumors 65816

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    'es, you are hilarious. I've never talked with people so dismissive of the constitution, bias and blinded by their "lesser of two evils" party talking points, and so interested in the belittlement of others simply because they do not maintain the same socialist ultra-liberal viewpoints.

    I post an article on here talking about the USA is losing its freedoms and the free market system which has gotten it to where it is today, at the same time try to make it a little bit fun and interesting, and you guys can do nothing more than make sideways character and legitimacy attacks regarding a humor-filled post I made like 3 months ago! Sad guys, really sad.

    Anyway, you are hardly worth my time arguing with. And 'es... if people want to know what you stand for, all they have to do is look over your posts. Half of your time on this forum is spent trying to explain why the U.S. is a horrible country. (I can post some examples if you like) You have an inborn hatred for the country, and apparently the people who live here. It's very unhealthy to let so much hatred lead your life and political viewpoints. I suggest you get some help with that. ;)
     
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    we belittle you because as far as anyones concerned, you are a troll.

    Not because you have different views, but because your evidence is almost always an opinion, just because its written on a site or newspaper does not make it fact.
     
  24. fivepoint thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Here is the last line of that WSJ article:
    "Our point here isn't to absolve Wall Street or pretend there weren't private excesses. But the investment mistakes would surely have been less extreme, and ultimately their damage more containable, if not for the enormous political support and subsidy for mortgage credit. Beware politicians who peddle fables that cast themselves as the heroes."




    I agree with this, 100%. It's not a simple issue, and the companies that were leveraged beyond imagining deserve to die a corporations death. Unfortunately, now these corporations are going to get bailed out (illegally) by our Big Government. In the future, why should companies like these even TRY to be successful? Why compete? Why strive for success? They're better off just losing everything and getting a check from the government!
     
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    Haven't you noticed? It's nothing to do with Socialism or Liberalism. It's nothing to do with any ideology or philosophy. It's to do with putting up nonsense as credible evidence. This forum and the people on it are too smart and too wise to succumb to such nonsense.

    Trillions in debt, in wars you can't win nor afford and in an electoral race that has more to do with if somebody has black skin or a vagina than what their policies are?

    Very true. People on this forum like things to be backed up by fact. You have dismissed facts and decided that 'the point is, you're wrong'.

    Yeah, go for it. It's not a horrible country, it's a wonderful country. It's a country run by an idiot and his friends. It's a country that has badly lost its way.

    You, however, can't seem to see the difference between my hating the way your country is run and some of the things that it's doing in the world and the way I feel about your actual country.

    You just want to stick up for your country at all costs. You don't want to make it better by pulling apart the injustice of the current regime. Very unpatriotic of you.

    I'd love you to show me one time where I've said anything against the American people. I can show you quotes where I've said 'I love the American people', if you'd like. Those facts don't matter because "the point is, I'm wrong''. Isn't that right, fivepoint.
     

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