Humane euthanasia for humans?

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  1. Septembersrain Contributor

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    Do you believe in having laws like Holland? Should a person have the right to die? What do you think?
     
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    Sure do. As long as it's clearly the person's decision and they aren't being coerced I don't see why not. Obviously if the person isn't terminally sick I'd prefer they have to go through whatever counseling they may need beforehand.
     
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    Big fan of death, abortion (within limits), death penalty, euthanasia. Kill em all from start to finish.
     
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    if need be, why not?
     
  7. Septembersrain thread starter Contributor

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    I agree. This topic crossed my mind as I had a friend recently kill herself. It's why I haven't been on here as much as I used to. She had stage 4 lung cancer. She was in horrible pain already as she had fibromyalgia like I do. She overdosed on dilaudid and alcohol.

    I can't help but think if someone could have been there by her side, in a safe clinic, would she have felt more at peace? Would she have not had to write that note apologizing to everyone? Did she die feeling guilty?

    It's really hard to deal with and those of you who know me, know I've got a mental disorder. I've been devastated and may end up hospitalized. I can't stop thinking about how she died alone because she was afraid someone would stop her, even by force. It's really hard to imagine if I was ever in her shoes.

    Edit: With fibro, you're always in pain. It's so easy to ignore new pain and pass it off as just being a "flare". By the time something serious is caught... It could be too late. Fibromyalgia won't kill you but ignoring serious health concerns and suicide, those will.
     
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    Isn't this legal in the State of WA? I think a person should have the right to chose to end their life if they wish.

    There's actually a really good documentary that I watched on HBO regarding this very same thing.

    As far as depression and suicide, that's a whole other topic in itself. I know several close people in my life that either suffer from depression or have tried to kill themselves/killed themselves.
     
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    My brother-in-law while staring at a decent inheritance from his grandfather made the comment when the guy was on his death bed about how it was "Hard to get ahead in life" when informing us how he needed the money. I just shook my head thinking "Jesus he didn't just say that with the guy still breathing." Then I looked at my wife and told her she better have her mother grant her power of attorney when the time comes. lol
     
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    I am truly sorry to hear that. As a naturally empathetic person the scene you laid out in the underlined really felt like a dagger in my chest when reading the underlined. My condolences.
     
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    I've seen what happens to people when medicine cannot improve their intolerably low quality of life but can prolong it. Yes, euthanasia should be legal, with safeguards that ensures that it is a release from intractable pain or suffering that medical procedures cannot alleviate. Anybody who thinks otherwise should spend some time volunteering in a nursing home or a hospital.

    FWIW my father underwent hospital care toward the end of his life. it was awful for him. We decided to move him to palliative care, in which only the quality of his life was considered, and he perked up, actually smiled, and lived a meaningful 6 months past his prognosis. Sometimes letting go is the right decision.
     
  12. Septembersrain thread starter Contributor

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    It terrifies me. I'm always in pain due to the fibro and my heart condition. What if I miss all the signs like she did? What if I catch it just a few moments too late? By the time my doctor gets that referral and the specialist sees me? What if I'm where she is? I think her death has me shaken to my very core.

    I'm trying to just keep my head up line she'd want. To go about my normal day and live to the fullest. Every time I close my eyes I just see her smile. Then I see the tiny rose gold urn she's now spending eternity in.

    Man...
     
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    sorry to hear that :(
     
  14. Septembersrain thread starter Contributor

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    It feels like every year I get older, l seem to notice my mortality more and more.
     
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    Tough question.

    I do remember seeing a documentary about the process of patient-elected suicide in the Netherlands. And, maybe the case they showed was the wrong one, but I found it terribly tragic.

    The woman in question was undoubtedly very ill. But she wasn't catatonic. She wasn't immobilized, or in unbearable pain. She wasn't rotting away in a bed. She was just suffering from an incurable disease.

    And the day came, when the Doctor showed up with her bag of pills and drugs. And the woman's children came and talked to her.

    And I found myself wishing I could be with her. To say: "Hey, you don't have to do this today. You've still got people who love you. Who want to be with you. You are still providing value to your friends and family. Why don't you put this off for a while. Take a look at your decision again in a week or two. See if you feel the same way."

    But I wasn't there. And the lady's children went to the corner of the room. And the Doctor gave her some pills, and then put a needle in her arm. And then she was gone.

    Her death may have been peaceful. But I found little comfort or happiness or goodness in it.
     
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    Good thing her indescribably personal decision has nothing to do with the voyeur looking in.
     
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    Absolutely. I fully support the voluntary euthanasia society here in Britain. Watched far too many relatives die undignified deaths.
     
  18. Septembersrain thread starter Contributor

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    There might not be happiness or goodness in it. Though I don't think death cab really ever be viewed that way. The end of life is tragic. It's a permanence. It's about the person dying. Will they die surrounded by friends and family? Knowing they are loved? Will they die alone in their room like my friend? You can't make death any easier but you can make the trip be filled with love and acceptance.
     
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    My uncle was at home and in such pain he couldn't open his eyes and just moaned until he slipped into unconsciousness. His kids had to watch their father die painfully (the morphine drips are locked and was ineffective at that point). No one should have to suffer like that, on both ends (family/the person dying).
     
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    I don't see the problem, some may want to go BEFORE they lose body functions and put their families through undue stress. last thing I want is to be a burden and some may want to be remembered in better looking terms .
     
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    Yes.
    I might not have had any say about being brought into the world, but I sure as hell want to have my say about how/why/where I'm leaving.
     
  22. NT1440 macrumors G4

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    ...You mean it's possible for you to get worse looking?

    I kid, I kid :p
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    Right? I didn't ask for this crap!
     
  23. Septembersrain thread starter Contributor

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    My biggest fear is I'll be too ill to end my own life but I'll be locked away in some home around strangers who could care less as I'm another statistic. Another number they have to check on every few hours. Trapped and just waiting for the end. The thought of indescribable pain that I can't tell anyone about and can't get away from.
     
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    told the wife if I am ever a vegetable to give me 2 weeks and then unplug me.
     
  25. Septembersrain thread starter Contributor

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    That's so how I feel. I definitely didn't want to be born premature with all kinds of health conditions. I certainly don't want to die miserably.
     

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