Humanity

swanny

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Ah yes what a tangled web we weave
but the earth is in no danger and can take care
of itself.....
What I think concerns me more is humanity
hmmmmm what about humanity....
Well I think we as human creatures or spiritual
animals are in danger of exterminating ourselves
although I'm not sure why that is so....?
Why is it we live the way we do.....
Have we no reason or sense or responsibility
or care for ourselves or even love for ourselves
Have we just accepted that we are the way we
are and damn the torpedos....
Is the basis of this death wish then are own hatred
of ourselves and yes I suppose when we see the kinds
of things we do to one and other in the name of ????
whatever... It could have a tendancy to cause this
deepset and perhaps unconscious hatred or a death wish.
Humanity ha ha seems a crime against itself somehow.
We seem to lack the ability or insight to come to terms
with reality and truth and such and invent ways of distraction
and destruction....
I guess that is just our "human" nature
Can it change though
Can we change to what.....???
I suppose we'd first have to want to change
I suppose we'd need a vision of some sort
I suppose well enough for now
Sorry to preach

have a good day
 

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I saw the title of this thread. I thought 'Swanny or mymemory' and looks like I was right first time around.
 

LimitedEdition

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swanny said:
Well I think we as human creatures or spiritual
animals are in danger of exterminating ourselves
although I'm not sure why that is so....?
Well, compare us to animals for a moment. Animals survive by their instincts, ideas mean nothing to them. We on the other hand survive by our brains - to us ideas matter.

So is it any wonder to visit the planet of such a creature and find it engaged in a worldwide struggle between democracy and religious theocracy? Not really.
 

swanny

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Drat

Wes said:
Swanny... please... think of the bytes before you post. Look what I just saw.
Darn.... Okay I'll bite...
You know you could probably free up a few megs by
deleting your operating system files
Smart guy like you doesn't need an operating system

Care for any maple syrup....
How about some backbacon
Special deal for you.....
 

SiliconAddict

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I’m with Mr. Smith on this one. Humanity is a disease that needs to be wiped from the face of this plant to let some other species try and get it right. We are selfish, warlike, greedy, arrogant *******s all. No exception. Even the most humble, pious, generous, person has lurking just under the surface a screeching ape that would sooner bush your head in with a branch as look at you.


Ironic that Gollum`s Song is playing in iTunes.

"We are lost, we can never go home" "So in the end I will be what I will be"

Take what you will from those words.
 

mymemory

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Wes said:
I saw the title of this thread. I thought 'Swanny or mymemory' and looks like I was right first time around.
LOL you are so funny :mad:

Any way, look like everybody saw The Matrix on tv last night as well.

Yeah, humans are complicated. We have this brain that give us lots of capabilities and we can hardly use it right. I see the animals and they find their balance between them, we say they are cruel and sure their life is painfull but they coexist for thousands of years in the same way and we are messing everything up everytime more.

Probably we are just part of life and that is it, probably (as Neo) we are expected to happend, we may destroy everything but life will go on for sure any way.

I recall a lot Adan and Eve in the garden of Eden... everything was perfect until they took a bite to the apple. Is human nature to mess up with everything when is perfect because of what? "vanity". At the end "we are superior and we can".

Many problems of the world could be regulated just by decreasin the population but again... diseases, wars and demanding ways of living are doing that in a way. Very cataclismic but natural.
 

themadchemist

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mymemory said:
I recall a lot Adan and Eve in the garden of Eden... everything was perfect until they took a bite to the apple. Is human nature to mess up with everything when is perfect because of what? "vanity". At the end "we are superior and we can".
I have a lot of trouble with that story...It claims the pursuit of knowledge to be evil and the presence of reason in our minds to be no more than a devilish temptation. Instead, the journey to understand our universe, I believe, is deeply intertwined with one path to the attainment of spiritual enlightenment. Both processes are ones of discovery. I cannot believe that life and spirituality or passive and that the answers handed down to us from yesteryear provide a perfect road map for our own challenges. These are our lives, we have our capabilities, and with these circumstances and abilities, we should work out for ourselves what is right, not because the mechanics of working out our true paths are important so much as the paths taken must be different for each of us.

This business of woman destroying perfection with the pursuit of knowledge and understanding smacks of the misogynism; close-mindedness; intellectual degeneration; stifling of science; lack of reason; and moral, political, and social subjugation that characterized the Church's dominance over European life for centuries.
 

edesignuk

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swanny said:
but the earth is in no danger and can take care
of itself.....
No, Earth is in danger, and it cannot take care of itself, because we, "humanity", are making things worse by the second.

Typically weird thread I might add...
 

clayj

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Long-term survival of the human species requires offworld, and eventually interstellar, expansion and colonization. If we all stay here, with all our eggs in one basket, our species will end, probably due to a runaway technological event (for example, a nanotech replicator that consumes matter to make more of itself). In addition, there's a well-known speculation by a scientist named Brandon Carter that postulates that we are near the end of our time, if for no other reason than probability.

See:
  • Bloom, by Wil McCarthy
  • Manifold: Time, by Stephen Baxter
  • Stars All Shine, a screenplay by yours truly (link available upon request)
(Clay is bummed right now primarily because he has no girlfriend. Still, he recommends that you check out the aforementioned books, as they are both quite good.)
 

swanny

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Girls Freinds ????

So are you suggesting perhaps that
girlfriends or ya da ya da boyfriends
are the answer to all lifes problems???

Hmmm what a concept....!!!
Perhaps I should write another awful song....

Actually its nothing that a million bucks couldn't cure though....

Whoa its early....

coffee need coffee

and doughnut

d o u g h n u t homer simpson
 

pseudobrit

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swanny said:
So are you suggesting perhaps that
girlfriends or ya da ya da boyfriends
are the answer to all lifes problems???

Hmmm what a concept....!!!
Perhaps I should write another awful song....

Actually its nothing that a million bucks couldn't cure though....

Whoa its early....

coffee need coffee

and doughnut

d o u g h n u t homer simpson
You've developed a device that reads your stream of consciousness and turns it, unfiltered, into text, haven't you?
 

swanny

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Yes

pseudobrit said:
You've developed a device that reads your stream of consciousness and turns it, unfiltered, into text, haven't you?



Yes its called a


"Brain"....

Perhaps you should get one
and give it a try....
the "heart" is extra though
like an "option"...

I'll be marketing them shortly
 

SiliconAddict

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solvs said:
Somebody's in a bad mood.

Not that I disagree, just an observation.
I've been in a bad mood since I grew up. Growing out of that certain innocence of youth makes one take a different look at humanity. I really wish I could believe the future of humanity is Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek. I really wish I could. Sorry if I seem like a downer.
 

swanny

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Cranky

My apologies there pb
seem to bez in a cranky cantankerous mood
this mornin...... perhaps a malfunction in the complier
bugs you know.....
Actually it really sucks to wake up with a hangover
without the having drunk anything the night before....
where is the "justice" in this world....
 

ziwi

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Right back where I started...
Ultimately, we are responsible for all of the problems we have. We either create them ourselves or inherit them from other's within relationships. Each life is like a circle and every other life we come in contact with intersects our circle with theirs and we inherit properties and give properties to and from - think of life as one big Venn diagram. Problem is no one has a 'Perfect Circle'. It apparently seems that no one even wants to strive for that. Pity really. If we (general term) could all be less selfish and really think about the consequenses of our actions prior to performing them - this would be a much better place to live and hope for our species future would not be in question.

Maybe this thread should be in the 'Philosophical' Forum.
 

swanny

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Quite apt

ziwi said:
Ultimately, we are responsible for all of the problems we have. We either create them ourselves or inherit them from other's within relationships. Each life is like a circle and every other life we come in contact with intersects our circle with theirs and we inherit properties and give properties to and from - think of life as one big Venn diagram. Problem is no one has a 'Perfect Circle'. It apparently seems that no one even wants to strive for that. Pity really. If we (general term) could all be less selfish and really think about the consequenses of our actions prior to performing them - this would be a much better place to live and hope for our species future would not be in question.

Maybe this thread should be in the 'Philosophical' Forum.
Quite an "apt" observation there ziwi
but I suppose one could also consider "problems" the spice
of life too although we are more capacitated when working
together and in "togetherness" to rectify or manage them
as one alone can not or perhaps should not take on all the problems
of the world. Yes responsibility factors in. Then theres well
still to early perhaps for "philosophical" discussion. I don't really
even like philosophy. I'm just a simple "dishwasher".
Well "some" of the time.
 

greatm31

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SiliconAddict said:
I've been in a bad mood since I grew up. Growing out of that certain innocence of youth makes one take a different look at humanity. I really wish I could believe the future of humanity is Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek. I really wish I could. Sorry if I seem like a downer.
SiliconAddict, I think you really have the wrong idea here. You too, swanny. This "humanity" thing you speak of isn't some gigantic being with its own definitive characteristics. You speak of "our" terrible ways and "our" vile nature or how "we" doom ourselves, but you've fallen into the trap of many a young intellectual: by not recognizing that individuals, more than any other entity in human history, have made the world what it is today. Not mobs. Individuals. Writers, politicians, religious leaders, dreamers of every sort: they are the ones who change the world, for better or worse. And the greatest people in history have shared only two elements of personality: unpredictablity and creativity.

So perhaps you see, it is wrong to say we are somehow doomed because of the "character" of humanity. Rather, we are only doomed by those who believe that it is futile for any individual person to pursue their own dreams, in the face of the world.

In that vein I would criticise you especially, SiliconAddict, since you have so given up that you are in an eternal somber mood. Perhaps this would be a better world if more gloomy people like you started trusting themselves and seeing their own potential.
 

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greatm31 said:
Perhaps this would be a better world if more gloomy people like you started trusting themselves and seeing their own potential.

It's hard to trust yourself when we are taught that we are:

• Wicked sinful and imperfect creatures fallen from grace, taught that our natural desires and impules are wrong.
• Randomly-evolved mutations in a universe without meaning or purpose.
• Or thin veneers of rationality struggling with an unknowable bestial subconcious.

We don't know where we come from, we don't know who we are...
 

swanny

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Thankyou

greatm31 said:
SiliconAddict, I think you really have the wrong idea here. You too, swanny. This "humanity" thing you speak of isn't some gigantic being with its own definitive characteristics. You speak of "our" terrible ways and "our" vile nature or how "we" doom ourselves, but you've fallen into the trap of many a young intellectual: by not recognizing that individuals, more than any other entity in human history, have made the world what it is today. Not mobs. Individuals. Writers, politicians, religious leaders, dreamers of every sort: they are the ones who change the world, for better or worse. And the greatest people in history have shared only two elements of personality: unpredictablity and creativity.

So perhaps you see, it is wrong to say we are somehow doomed because of the "character" of humanity. Rather, we are only doomed by those who believe that it is futile for any individual person to pursue their own dreams, in the face of the world.

In that vein I would criticise you especially, SiliconAddict, since you have so given up that you are in an eternal somber mood. Perhaps this would be a better world if more gloomy people like you started trusting themselves and seeing their own potential.
Well perhaps I still like that saying by Margaret Mead or Robert Kennedy?
Something like "there is no limit to what a small group of
deticated people can achieve."
Why even Jesus had disciples. The idea of the self-made person
is I would say a kind of urban myth...
behind every great man or woman there are people who just
get no credit or glory. Some great inventions are actually attributed
to people who more or less borrowed them from others from before and simply beat them to the patent office and failed to acknowledge or credit them so I say that small groups have a better and more honest track record
Look at the Beatles but even reading their history they certainly had
some significant influences and help well and yes there is the "luck" factor
but I was just generalizing which isn't perhaps wise....
I do what I can though at other times to elevate the continuum.
Have you heard my latest song "The Askings" in the music discussion thread
thats a more constructive way I approach such things anyway
thanks for the thoughts.

Song thread link = http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=110128