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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by Michael Goff, Feb 24, 2014.
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Just wondering...where did you hear this?
And from what troglodyte did you hear this?
And did it make any sense when heard?
From some of my family and the people around my community. Seriously, my sister's boyfriend was telling me that the only racism out there is "reverse racism" and that the courts aren't biased against black people.
Then again, I do live in Indiana.
Well, first I want to apologize for using the word "troglodyte" in what turns out to be a member of your family or a family member's friend. It was not my intent to be insulting to your family members.
Second, having attended IU many years ago, there was a "joke" prevalent at the time..."you are now landing a Weir Cook Airport (in Indianapolis). Please set your watches back 50 years". My first weekend in Bloomington there was an announcement on the radio that there was a Klan meeting scheduled, and gave the location.
In short, I am aware that IN was, and apparently still is, living in the distant past. I think that you will find that, aside from those mentioned in your post, there are very few people who think racism is dead or, unfortunately, more than slightly ill.
Citing examples of racist utterances is, IMO, unnecessary...it is, along with other forms of bigotry, unfortunately alive and well in the US...and elsewhere, too.
Rest assured that this is patently false.
Not for nothing, but you do have to question the ignorance of people who use the term "reverse racism". There is no such thing. Racism is racism, regardless of which race is the perpetrator and the victim. If it is white on black, it's racism; if it is black on white, it's racism. if it's Asian on black, it's racism. If it is Japanese on hispanic, it's racism.
You get my point.
Those that use "reverse" racism, don't have a bloody clue of what they are talking about. However, I will say, as I have said many times in this forum, no-one will truly know what racism is until they have been a victim of it.
No, no, troglodyte is the term to use. Them being friends, and future family most likely, doesn't change that. They're overall good people mostly, but ... yeah. Also, that saying about Indiana is 120% true.
I don't question the ignorance of people who use reverse-racism any more than I question the existence of oxygen in air.
"Racism" is such an ugly, judgmental word. Why not use a nicer word, such as "ethnocentrism"?
A: "What's up?"
B: "Nothing. I'm just feeling a little ethnocentric today."
A: "Don't we all."
I always hear racism is dead in the US
You certainly don't hear it from me.
I'll just leave this here.
Amazing how "racist" American Indians can be, n'est-ce pas?
My point: Racism knows no colours, therefore there can be no reverse. If you write an O or a circle the opposite direction, it is still an O or a circle. Same with racism; no matter which way it goes, even in its opposite direction, it is still racism. And the only way to free ourselves of it is to look in the mirror and change our minds; because as much as people have tried (Michael Jackson, anyone?), it is hard as hell to change one's skin colour.
Sharpton & jackson would cease to be in the news, I would LOVE that.
hard to define "victim", been called all kinds of names since I sport a permanent tan & have an accent, I did not "feel" like a victim.
Names are one thing. Have you been beaten? Kicked out of a place because of your skin colour? Refused service because of your skin colour? disenfranchised because of your skin colour? Vilified publicly?
I have; you have probably just been called names, and ignored it, which is a good thing. I've been beaten up by people in the South just because of my skin colour, and I'm from the North, despite my grandparents living in this rural town for over 70 years at that time. I fought back, which almost got me detained, at 10 years old. Yes, that was 1984.
If you were to seriously take stock of all the times you've been taunted racially, you'd realize how much more often it occurred than you realized; Thank goodness you were brought up with parents who taught you much more about tolerance than you realize.
I also submit this. Adam Goodes is a two-time Brownlow Medalist (Player of the year, MVP, college equivalent would be Heisman), two-time Premiership Player (equivalent to winning the Super Bowl twice), and All Australian player for his team, the Sydney Swans, in the Australian rules Football League. Multiple-time All Australian, selected in their Indigenous Team of the Century, and recently, Australian of the Year (equivalent: Time's Person of the Year).
In one of their rounds of matches over the weekend just this past year... well.. I'll let HuffPo tell the story. And just so you know, HuffPo got the story second hand, as it was reported in the following sources:
The Age (Melbourne).
The Sydney Morning Herald.
The Herald Sun.
So it has been corroborated. Either way, here's what HuffPo had to say.
I've embedded the video below. My point here is while no-one should be a subjected to (whether 3rd party to or the victim of) racism, at the very least it is better to know you've been subjected to it and are more tolerant of it and rise above it, than to be subjected to it and naively miss that you have been subjected to it.
It speaks more of your character to speak out about it and take a stand against it the right way than to ignore it and not do anything about it until it happens again, or stand against it the wrong way.
P.S. The video:
1. some dudes who all happen to share the same pale complexion TRIED, they didn't get far
2. never been kicked out of anywhere than I can remember based on my skin color.
4 can't claim that it was because of my skin color.
5 does the wife doing it count?
I am glad to say that I have never really felt like I was being discriminated, aside from the 1 incident things have been rather smooth for me, been to IL, AZ and reside in kommiefornia, that MIGHT have something to do with it.
Walk around Southern Oklahoma, Arkansas, Alabama, or Mississippi, and see how it is. Again, I was raised in Nebraska. My parents born and raised during the segregation and Civil Rights era in rural Oklahoma. They have pictures of waking up in the morning to seeing nooses hanging from trees in their front yard, being kicked out of school and forced to be segregated schools 5 - 10 miles away, despite accommodating schools being less than a block away. My parents were 13 and 7 when Brown v. Board overturned Plessy v. Ferguson. Back then, Arizona was barely a State, and there was more racial equality in Illinois than there was in all of Arkansas and Alabama combined. Hell, there was more racial equality in the state you are calling Kommie and Socialist than in all of the states involved back in that area, combined.
You don't know how good you've had it. So you may want to walk a mile or two in the shoes of people who had been through it. You'll have your eyes opened and get a better perspective of what you've taken for granted in having in CALIfornia.
P.S. Oh, I forgot to mention that it Adam Goodes holds the record for the most games played in his team's history (which goes back to 1896), and was the AFL Rising Star winner in 1998 (equivalent to Rookie of the Year). So his accolades stand up for himself, yet he was racially vilified. He took a stand, just like the a previous indigenous player did, Nicky Winmar after constantly being racially vilified by both players, fans, and staff.
The photograph taken of him taking a stand was said to be the most poignant and significant in Australian sport history. Similar to Jackie Robinson.
You seriously don't know how good you have it.
I don't think racism is dead people just don't openly talk about it anymore. Walk down the street I bet most people would be threatened by 3 black kids vs 3 white kids. They won't say it but they think it. Is that not racist?
Not really, because in some people's minds, they do believe that it is dead because we have a black POTUS, 2 white rappers with albums on the charts, and one of the richest women in the country is black. So it must be over..
.. until the jealousy of having other races experience more success than them starts to kick in, and things rear their ugly heads again.
The black man said he's proud to be black, and was given congratulations and told its great he's proud of his race.
The white man said he's proud to be white, and he was called a racist.
This may be one instance, but there are plenty of instances where it's been the other way around. So yes, I believe in reverse racism.
How much is success a part of it, I never knew that to be a factor in racism. I always thought it went by skin color and money or not that is a factor in a racists mind. Do racists take rich and poor into account?
no such thing as "reverse" racism IMHO.
There's really no such thing as reverse racism. If person A hits person B with a baseball bat, it's assault. If person B hits person A with a baseball bat, it isn't called "reverse assault".
An oddity in my life: I had lived my life in the south--Texas and Florida--until I took a job at Chevrolet in Detroit in 1962. There, I heard far more active verbalization of racism against blacks than ever in the south.
I'm not trying to excuse southern racism; I'm just saying that to me, it was stronger and more virulent in Detroit.
I'd seen a good bit of the wide world before I entered college. Many ethnicities, many cultures. For me, when MLK spoke of character and not color, hey, that's already the way I lived. I only add "behavior" to it.
And now I'm back in a very small city in the deep south and what I mostly see, day to day, is a large amount of inter-racial courtesy and politeness.
Just my opinion about this general area: Racism is much less about blacks as a group. It's negative about those blacks whose character and behavior is poor. Not saying racism doesn't exist, but I have difficulty is seeing a negative view of malbehavior as inherently racist.
Your assumption is that racism only happens between blacks and whites. That is what you are missing. What happens if it is, like I said before, Asian vs. Arab? What do you call it then? Or Asian vs. white? Whites are not always the instigators, and that type of thinking is what you need to brush aside when it comes to racism.
It plays a part, but isn't a direct factor. Status is always one of many culprits when it comes to envy over status, but add in the skin colour difference and it starts to get really deep, especially when it comes down to reactions based on that envy. It definitely can play a part, but isn't the single contributing factor, no.
Bradl, I'm mostly just curious about your take on this, but what do you say about palmer's scenario where a white person is called racist for saying he's proud of being white while members of other races are not similarly vilified for expressing pride in their racial heritage?
And no, I'm not making a judgement either way, I'm just genuinely curious since I respect your take on this topic.