I bet we will feel better about the new iPhone after we hear the apple spin on it.

Bobby Corwen

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I think some of our opinions will be soothed once we not only see the exact features and design but also hear Apples reasoning and polished spin on things.

Such as the reason for an elongated but not wider design, and the headphone jack placement. I feel like whatever dogmatic reasoning they have will make us more content.

It will be like "oh yeah, I guess they are right, --that's why they did that."

They always know how to make us believe...
 

Wrathwitch

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I think some of our opinions will be soothed once we not only see the exact features and design but also hear Apples reasoning and polished spin on things.

Such as the reason for an elongated but not wider design, and the headphone jack placement. I feel like whatever dogmatic reasoning they have will make us more content.

It will be like "oh yeah, I guess they are right, --that's why they did that."

They always know how to make us believe...
Wizard's first rule....
 

mattopotamus

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I think some of our opinions will be soothed once we not only see the exact features and design but also hear Apples reasoning and polished spin on things.

Such as the reason for an elongated but not wider design, and the headphone jack placement. I feel like whatever dogmatic reasoning they have will make us more content.

It will be like "oh yeah, I guess they are right, --that's why they did that."

They always know how to make us believe...
that is more them having good marketing techniques. The same way they made you feel like Siri was a must have feature
 

macingman

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This is pretty much how all business work really, they flog things you don't really need but find a way to make people want it so bad that they feel like it is a necessity.
 

phpmaven

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I think some of our opinions will be soothed once we not only see the exact features and design but also hear Apples reasoning and polished spin on things.

Such as the reason for an elongated but not wider design, and the headphone jack placement. I feel like whatever dogmatic reasoning they have will make us more content.

It will be like "oh yeah, I guess they are right, --that's why they did that."

They always know how to make us believe...
Well I for one can't imagine any kind of spin that is going to make me go "oh... I get it now". It's just plain wrong.
 

boronathan

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Is there an example of a company that doesn't put a spin on their products? I'm curious to see how successful they are.

What's the point of this thread?
 

b166er

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If they have some nice new feature I will be more at ease about it. What worries me is that the new feature is NFC. But they won't call it that. And it will only work with Apple branded terminals instead of the ones already in place at some stores. Add to that I wouldn't use it anyway.

Whether or not I buy the next iPhone depends on two things. Whatever the new feature/one last thing turns out to be, and battery life. If the battery isn't better than the 4S by a significant amount I'm gone for now.
 

Tubamajuba

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Is there an example of a company that doesn't put a spin on their products? I'm curious to see how successful they are.

What's the point of this thread?
Exactly. Every company uses marketing to try and get consumers to look positively upon their brand, but Apple gets crap for it because their marketing actually works.
 

nuckinfutz

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ideally we as enthusiasts shouldn't need to be spoon fed information from Apple. What separates us from the average consumer? We sit on message boards and discuss technology. So with that in mind shouldn't we also be more informed than the average consumer?

The headphone jack at the bottom makes sense to me. Is it works now my iPhone becomes an in-line lump between the sync cable and headphone connected. This is somewhat of an awkward setup. Cables should be concentrated on one side.

The culprit appears to be the 30-pin connector. I'm guessing that it just didn't leave enough room to put the headphone jack where Apple really wanted it.

I also don't think a good decision can be made about a phone until you know the features in the SoC and how the OS taps into these features.

There's a lot of unknown info about the next iPhone. Making decisions now seems a bit foolish unless you know you need a much larger phone.
 

AnotherBrian

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But this time we won't have the magic of Steve Jobs putting that feel good spin on it. So can the new speaker WOW us like Steve.
 

Darthdingo

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They always know how to make us believe...
First everyone says the 3.5" screen on all iPhones is the way God, I mean Apple meant all smartphone screens to be. Now with the new 4" or 4.3" screen, people will say, yes this is the correct size, if Apple says we need 4" elongated screen, this is the way it is meant to be. LOL :rolleyes:

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Wizard's first rule....
"People are stupid"
 
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AnotherBrian

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But he was still around he died I think the next day after the announcement. In no way I'm I saying it won't sell but the question to me was more about can Apple put the spin that is needed for the ones on the fence or don't think the features are that good.:eek:
 

b166er

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But this time we won't have the magic of Steve Jobs putting that feel good spin on it. So can the new speaker WOW us like Steve.
yeah man...... Steve didn't do the unveiling of the 4S. In fact he passed on the day after Tim Cook and co announced it. So technically he was gone before the iPhone 4S was even available.
 

Bobby Corwen

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I guess what I'm saying is I want Apple to make it officially cool to not have a giant screen and phrase it in a way that actually convinces me so I can stop feeling like I'm missing out by not having the largest or one of the largest screens. I want them to make a statement with the new phone to make me feel like its like that on purpose for a good reason so that I can feel content.
 

Darthdingo

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I guess what I'm saying is I want Apple to make it officially cool to not have a giant screen and phrase it in a way that actually convinces me so I can stop feeling like I'm missing out by not having the largest or one of the largest screens. I want them to make a statement with the new phone to make me feel like its like that on purpose for a good reason so that I can feel content.
Of course they will tell you, what ever they think their fan base needs to hear, to help best sell their brand new phone. Marketing 101 :rolleyes:

The new iPhone5, it is the iPhone4/4S on Viagra with a boner, it's longer now.
 

daveishere

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I think some of our opinions will be soothed once we not only see the exact features and design but also hear Apples reasoning and polished spin on things.

Such as the reason for an elongated but not wider design, and the headphone jack placement. I feel like whatever dogmatic reasoning they have will make us more content.

It will be like "oh yeah, I guess they are right, --that's why they did that."

They always know how to make us believe...
Never doubt Phil Schiller!

Apple are masters of the keynote presentation, i'm sure the iPhone 5 will one of the best selling devices Apple have ever made, and we don't even know the official specs yet!
 

Bobby Corwen

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Of course they will tell you, what ever they think their fan base needs to hear, to help best sell their brand new phone. Marketing 101 :rolleyes:

The new iPhone5, it is the iPhone4/4S on Viagra with a boner, it's longer now.
It's not just marketing. It's not some silly marketing gimmicks. They have good reasons for doing what they do and makin the products they make. I just want to know the reasoning behind it.
 

ixodes

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This is the area in which Steve Jobs will sorely be missed. His true skill was as a spin master, and marketing genius. He could sell anything to anyone. It's the very foundation Apple is built on. Oh sure the products are good, but the "cool" factor is not a component they bolt or glue on.

It's not a certain "look" it's the cache of a guy like Steve convincing everyone that Apple products are "Magical". It's the same smoke and mirrors that cause people to go to Vegas and lose their money, while laughing it up. It is nothing more than words, assembled and said in a way that truly whips people into a frenzy.

No one, absolutely no one is as good as Jobs was. He was so good that people still hang on his every word, they recite it like its' their Bible. The hero worship is very thick within this group of believers.

Normal everyday people that can't even remember what they did on a certain day a month ago, can recite his words of years ago verbatim, without missing a beat.

The way they worship him is proof positive that sooner or later, the "magic" will fade and Apple will have to compete on a level playing ground. That day will be a turning point. Apple will have to dig down deep to compete without Steve Jobs.