I have been reading the thread re the rumoured new specs for the iMac and am inclined to disbelieve the graphics cards specs, but it did get my blood boiling enough to voice one of my main gripes about Apple. I have never seen a graphics card (except for the new NVIDIA GeForce 6800 that comes as an optional extra) that made me proud to be a mac user. Now I am not particularly bothered by the puny graphics card in my PB most of the time, but when I work in Photoshop I do frequently bemoan the lack of crunch. So I am starting this thread to see if others agree. Have you noticed that on many of the http://www.apple.com/trailers/ trailer pages there are links to Apple games. I'm not a gamer, but please. I have some friends that are serious gamers and they'd never touch a mac because a) most of the decent games aren't available for mac and b) the graphic cards specs are appalling. Now Apple clearly want their computers to be at the centre of the digital home and in nearly all cases (for me at least) they are bang on target, but for many the lack of gaming is a huge handicap. I am thinking of buying another computer, and although I always intend to own a mac, I am thinking that my desktop should be a PC, because I can upgrade to serious hardware whenever I want and can play the occassional game that I want to. Sorry for the long thread, but let's be honest, Apple's are generally bought by those that like, no, love technology. We want to see graphics at their very best. BUT WE CAN'T and I am protesting.