"I Miss Barack Obama" -- op-ed by David Brooks

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  1. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    Conservative columnist David Brooks just wrote an interesting opinion yesterday. I generally like Brooks, as a person. An "old-fashioned" conservative, often not particularly logical, but generally with good intentions. Here is some of what he wrote:

    Read the whole thing here:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/opinion/i-miss-barack-obama.html
     
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    I've never considered him to be a conservative and found this to be odd. Even Obama says we're a very divided nation and his stance on terror, crime etc have added to the great divide. I know every admin has had it's time in the scandal box, but I've never though of Obama as being above that.
     
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    Well to be fair Obama could've gotten more had he been stronger in the beginning and not negotiating wit himself.
     
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    And then you go and read the section on his political views...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brooks_(journalist)#Political_views

    Sounds like he's a guy who leans Republican but has a brain and doesn't just blindly follow the party on every single issue.
     
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    Reading that sounds like he leans left. He is an admirer of McCain after all.
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    I found a good article about Brooks political point of view.

    "Brooks’ views are neither liberal nor conservative, they’re merely illogical"
     
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    Lol. You know American politics have been skewed so far to the right that they've fallen off a cliff when someone refers to McCain as "leaning left".
     
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    No, they have been skewed so far to the right they have fallen off a cliff.
     
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    Funny, if you look at the Wiki page, it was edited recently from conservative to liberal. I wonder who did that? I any case, read the text and you will see that he is a conservative who worked directly for WFB, Jr., and, he still calls himself a conservative, although not a "loony".
     
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    It's hard to see David Brooks as controversial, although my liberal friends despise him for his "right-wing" views. Me, I enjoy watching him with Mark Shields on PBS but otherwise, I don't pay much attention to him. He's not a particularly compelling writer, IMO.
     
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    The moonbats are out in force in the comments section.
     
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    I don't know why we're spending a lot of time talking about the precise location of David Brooks on the political spectrum.

    The issue is that, by any reasonable standard, Barack Obama is, and has been, an extremely likable, decent, intelligent, and thoughtful President. The Obama Administration has been almost amazingly scandal-free. The President's personal life - his wife, daughters, mother-in-law etc. have behaved without reproach.

    Despite the often-times revolting rhetoric hurled at him by everyone from the crazies in the radical right, to do-nothing Tea Party congressmen, to moon-bat liberals - he has maintained a calm, good humored demeanor. Barack Obama doesn't resort to name-calling; to demonizing anyone - even the gun-clutching quasi-racists baying for his blood.

    Barack and Michelle Obama have shown the American people what "class" really means. Would anybody seriously apply that label to Ted Cruz; Donald Trump; or even - gasp - Hillary Clinton?

    So, yes. David Brooks is going to miss Barack Obama in the White House and campaign trail.

    So will I.
     
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    In fairness, in another thread, someone called Obama "center-right". So one could say our political spectrum has skewed very far to the left as well.
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    Brooks is the token "conservative" on the NYT Op-Ed pages. He's just window dressing so the Times can say they have some semblance of balance in their (largely left-leaning) editorials. IMHO they're fooling nobody but themselves.

    Funny, I had a conversation with one of my liberal colleagues a couple of years ago about Brooks. My friend said he was open to hearing views from the conservative side, and cited Brooks as the conservative he read most since he was a NYT subscriber. I think I burst his bubble when I told him Brooks was not very conservative.
     
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    It's not entirely false. Even Obama's most allegedly Socialist measure, the ACA, is pretty centrist in implementation. The state is subsidizing private enterprises with taxpayer dollars for the supposed welfare of all, which is a pretty healthy mix of left and right.
     
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    Well, on a traditional spectrum, Obama is center-right. The fact that the US media and people treats him as an uber-leftist indicates how far to the right our the US's definition of "center" actually is.

    http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

    Compare that to http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008 and http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012 and you can see Obama's shift to the right from before he was elected to when he was running for his 2nd term.
     
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    I have never been a fan of David Brooks and he is not what I would consider an Obama supporter. But his analysis of Trump and Sanders is spot on.
     
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    It doesn't say "liberal" any more, so someone edited it back. Probably someone who dislikes Brooks' having given Obama even an ounce of credit for anything, ever, had decided to make it "liberal" as a way of expressing disapproval of the column. Probably not the first time it's happened to Brooks' page.
     
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    He's been a political animal who takes political opposition personally and exploits racial divisions. He doesn't particularly care for Western civilization.

    And he closely associated himself with an America-hating preacher and a terrorist.

    1. IRS targeted Obama’s enemies
    2. Benghazi
    3. ATF Fast and Furious disaster
    4. Solyndra
    5. Excusing New Black Panthers voter intimidation
    6. Veterans Administration's mistreatment of vets
    That's off the top of my head.
     
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    ^^ Do you understand the difference between what is a scandal and what is a personal political opinion?
     
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    1. The IRS targeted groups for additional review, not because they were "Obama's enemies" but rather because they were placed in an "emerging issues" category. As Ryan Chittum wrote in the Columbia Journalism Review, noting that some non-profit news organizations were also given additional reviews: "Rather than the Nixonian conspiracy that George Will and The Wall Street Journal editorial page so darkly warned about—with zero evidence—you have a routine bureaucratic procedure meant to bundle potentially problematic applicants together for further review."

    2. Benghazi. What's the scandal again? That HRC and Obama didn't call it "Islamic terrorism?" That the White House ordered a "stand-down?" Or that HRC's State Dept. blew off security concerns. I can't keep track. '

    3. ATF Fast and Furious. The word botched doesn't cover the BATF's mishandling of this case and I'm irritated that Eric Holder refused to release documents to Congress. However, this wasn't a White House bag job, but an epic screw-up from the Phoenix office of the BATF based on a program that had been running since the early Bush administration.

    4. Solyndra. A classic error that comes with investments and loan guarantees. Many have tried to gin up some scandal, but the only evidence is a scandal comes from the side of the company's CEOs who may have lied about the company's finances.

    5. New Black Panther intimidation. First, the incident happened under the Bush administration and even then the DOJ refused to prosecute. But, yes some political appointees asked the Justice Dept. to drop the case against two men in one voting precinct in one city. That's pretty thin, even if we accept the idea from Judicial Watch.

    6. A total disaster that should haunt everyone at the VA, but not a scandal. Just an epic screw up that has been going to on for more than a decade, see the resignation of Sec. of the Army Francis Harvey in 2007.

    The important question here is not, did the federal government make a mistake from 2009-20116, but rather, did White House officials do something illegal?

    And, there's no evidence that they did.

    Compare to Lewis Libby's perjury, Lawyergate, the resignation of Richard Griffin for failure to oversee Blackwater, the loss of millions of emails (see the conservative freakout over Lois Lerner pulling the same stunt), Philip Cooney editing climate reports, and ATF director Carl Truscott using the agency as his own personal security.

    And, then add in the balderdash about Yellowcake, and the invasion of Iraq over its supposed WMDs, the use of black sites, torture at Guantanamo, the NSA's spying on Americans, etc.
     
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    Didn't he say he'd keep lobbyists out of his administration? (I likely missed something)

    Didn't he say he wouldn't cut medicare, while making ads attacking McCain for wanting to cut medicare? (I recall the attack ads in 2008 so maybe something changed between campaign and getting into the office to require big compromises... did he address them when bringing about ACA/Romneycare (that US News and other GOP rags have articles stating Romney admitted it's all based on HIS "reform" plan)? I didn't pay that much attention...)

    How much compromise is truly needed, and how much did Obama get in return for catering and caving to the GOP - the same GOP that, since day damn one, wanted him as a one-termer and obstructed and everything else? After 7 years and he still wants to work with them on "common ground" issues like the TPP, whatever's in that because nobody knows and maybe it's a good thing for the working class - in which case the GOP would stereotypically loathe it...
     
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    Be happy to pursue this with you unless you'd rather let it stand as is.

    In which case I'll just say it seems that one man's scandal is another man's monumental screwup.
     
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    I like Obama, and he will be missed. I think he's incredibly likable, presents well as the face of a nation, and certainly brings something new to the Office.

    I don't agree with all his policies but overall I think he has been a solid POTUS.

    Truth be told if it came down to Obama vs Hillary vs Trump, I'd put Obama back in office for a 3rd term.
     
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    I don't think America can take more division. He's made his views clear on his vision of America and that's why we've had the largest anti-dem wave in history. America does not like the direction it's going in, and he's ruined the middle east.

    He's the main reason we're voting for anyone that's not an insider.
     
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    Bush II and Clinton were far more divisive and both had a massive legislative switch in party control under their watch.

    I don't think Barack is all that terrible in comparison but his handling of the so-called Arab Spring where he ****ed over Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad...that was really stupid beyond anything the Bush's did in that region.
     

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