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Apple continues to work on iChat AV Beta revisions, and is privately testing Build 112.

The latest build provides some bug fixes and small enhancements, but no major new features. Reports indicate there are still some stability issues and camera recognition issues. One reported feature is a menu option to easily place a user that you are chatting with into your Block list.

iChat AV 1.0 Final is due later this year and will be included with Mac OS X Panther. Jaguar users will be able to purchase the final version for $29.95.
 

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I don't use iChat much, and have never used the AV features, but it's good to know that they're working on it and improving it.

I assumed this was a public update, I ran Software Update and it didn't give me anything, but since I don't use it much I didn't bother looking on the iChat website. But I guess you've already looked there?
 
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arn

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nope... not a public version.

(I added "private" to the article)

arn
 
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Huked on Fonick

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Ichat needs alot of work

I chat needs alot of work, it should still be in beta, ichat AV isent much better but at least they made it so u type more than 1 line at a time
 
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xmad

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Will Jaguar users who spent $150 on an iSight have to pay the 30 for iChat AV?
 
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arn

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Originally posted by xmad
Will Jaguar users who spent $150 on an iSight have to pay the 30 for iChat AV?

seems so

arn
 
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canucknyc

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Come On

Is there anything we can do. Just bought 2 isights and now I find out I'll have to pay for iChat av?
That sound like it will piss some people off, including me.
 
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AhmedFaisal

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Still yet another useless island solution...

... that's what iChat AV is at the moment. Until Apple gets it into their thick skulls that having a Mac Only Video Chat solution renders it virtually useless I am not buying iChat AV and I am going to demand a 30$ discount for Panther. Out of all the IM Providers Apple choose AOL just the one that is legally shunned by the FCC to include Video Chatting in their messenger. Until that FCC ruling gets reverted (and that will take aeons) AOL will not have Video Chat and iChat will not be able to do Video Communication with 95% of the computer world. Good job Steve :rolleyes: !

Ahmed:mad:
 
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Nebrie

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Re: Still yet another useless island solution...

Originally posted by AhmedFaisal
... that's what iChat AV is at the moment. Until Apple gets it into their thick skulls that having a Mac Only Video Chat solution renders it virtually useless I am not buying iChat AV and I am going to demand a 30$ discount for Panther. Out of all the IM Providers Apple choose AOL just the one that is legally shunned by the FCC to include Video Chatting in their messenger. Until that FCC ruling gets reverted (and that will take aeons) AOL will not have Video Chat and iChat will not be able to do Video Communication with 95% of the computer world. Good job Steve :rolleyes: !

Ahmed:mad:

So you think it would be better if they went with ultra-propietary, archrival MSN? Or puny pathetic Yahoo? Or some IM service we've never heard of? Yeah, that'll fly.

Apple is using an open standard that is free and they've announced that they'll help anyone willing to use it. You wanna top that?

Also, go read up on what AOL actually has to do to get Video Conferencing and the announcements that it's actually working on it. Until then, stop blaming everyone else for your problems.
 
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AhmedFaisal

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Re: Re: Still yet another useless island solution...

Originally posted by Nebrie
So you think it would be better if they went with ultra-propietary, archrival MSN? Or puny pathetic Yahoo? Or some IM service we've never heard of? Yeah, that'll fly.

Apple is using an open standard that is free and they've announced that they'll help anyone willing to use it. You wanna top that?

Also, go read up on what AOL actually has to do to get Video Conferencing and the announcements that it's actually working on it. Until then, stop blaming everyone else for your problems.

Btw. (since I can't even delete my own accidental double posts) Open Standards are not everything, especially if there is others that are already established.

Ahmed
 
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AhmedFaisal

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Re: Re: Still yet another useless island solution...

Originally posted by Nebrie
So you think it would be better if they went with ultra-propietary, archrival MSN? Or puny pathetic Yahoo? Or some IM service we've never heard of? Yeah, that'll fly.

Apple is using an open standard that is free and they've announced that they'll help anyone willing to use it. You wanna top that?

Also, go read up on what AOL actually has to do to get Video Conferencing and the announcements that it's actually working on it. Until then, stop blaming everyone else for your problems.

http://www.instantmessagingplanet.com/public/article.php/2184811

Read yourself. At the moment they are not allowed to do it, doing it within their AOL software already is already going against the FCC ruling and will not help them very much when they try to convince the FCC to overturn it.

Fact is that at the moment there is 2 major IM Services that use VC on Windows, which ist MSN & Yahoo! those are established and everybody uses it. Neither will switch to use Apple's great but useless standard just to please Apple. Also basically none of the PC users will switch to yet another IM client so they can VC with the 3-5% folks out there that happen to have a Mac, they will tell them to use Yahoo! or MSN (which unfortunately doesn't have VC on the Mac). If VC were something new the situation would be different, but it is not, Apple is the late starter in this thing so they should stick to what is already established, which is MSN or Yahoo, especially since MSN is built into Windows. Instead of developing their little island solution they should have talked to MS about letting them write a compatible Chat client. The AV Feature is great but it comes into an already established, saturated market so I can predict that nobody will use it besides Apple and even AOL might not if they ever get the FCC ruling overturned.

Ahmed
 
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sandsl

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Apple doesn't need to get permission or "work with" Microsoft to get a MSN compatible video conferencing client working - there is already an open source, although not brilliant, program that lets Mac users video conference with PC users who use NetMeeting.

So the point is Apple chose not to use a compatible service with the competition. The reason is obivous: quality. All the other major video conferencing solutions including NetMeeting, MSN and Yahoo use crappy video codecs compared to what Apple is using for iChat.

Its pretty clear to me that Apple set out to make the best quality solution (like they do with everything) and don't intend to stop Mac users Video conferencing to PC users - its just one of the down falls of using a better, newer codec.
 
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iChat AV on a G3 based machine...not

We need to be able to use iChat AV on a G3 based machine! We have a new ibook that is loaded but can't use the new iChat AV even though the installer's required system says we can (Apple later changed this on their site). It works great on my G4 though! We use it weekly and find it a great communication tool....now I don't waste money on long distance calls to family members.
 
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gopher

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Re: iChat AV on a G3 based machine...not

Originally posted by theranch
We need to be able to use iChat AV on a G3 based machine! We have a new ibook that is loaded but can't use the new iChat AV even though the installer's required system says we can (Apple later changed this on their site). It works great on my G4 though! We use it weekly and find it a great communication tool....now I don't waste money on long distance calls to family members.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/20203

This software allows USB cams and older G3s to use iChat.
 
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AppleMatt

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Shall we bring this discussion back to the iChat AV beta? There's no point fighting.

Feel the love.

I'd actually like all the bugs fixed before they go adding new features. Although iChat isn't feature-full, I think bugs are a higher priority (yes I saw one line typing as a bug)

Also...poor iSight/Jaguar users. Maybe Steve will come up with something, that is quite harsh. I'll be upgrading to Panther, but that's another $129. So it's;

Jaguar - $129
iSight - $149
iChat - $29.95
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Total - 307.95

Or, if you upgrade to Panther instead...$407. Ouch.

AppleMatt
 
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fabsgwu

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Many AIM features still missing.

I still don't understand why iChat leaves out some pretty basic, and in my opinion, essential features found in AIM. For example, allowing a group view--I've gotten used to associating certain buddies with a certain position on my buddy list (as I have like 175 buddies). Also, I would like easier ways to get info and add buddies.

Most of all, I miss the profile found in AIM. Life just isn't the same if I can't link my website and put random quotes in my profile!


________
EDIT:

Also, what about Alerts like AIM, but not just regular alerts--something "innovative" like msn-style pop-ups... (did I just say msn and innovative in the same sentence?)
 
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iJon

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Re: Still yet another useless island solution...

Originally posted by AhmedFaisal
... that's what iChat AV is at the moment. Until Apple gets it into their thick skulls that having a Mac Only Video Chat solution renders it virtually useless I am not buying iChat AV and I am going to demand a 30$ discount for Panther. Out of all the IM Providers Apple choose AOL just the one that is legally shunned by the FCC to include Video Chatting in their messenger. Until that FCC ruling gets reverted (and that will take aeons) AOL will not have Video Chat and iChat will not be able to do Video Communication with 95% of the computer world. Good job Steve :rolleyes: !

Ahmed:mad:
whiner whiner whiner. why dont you get it through your head, apple always does this. they treat their mac users to their incredible stuff (imagine that :rolleyes: ). if everything works well and better than though, a windows version will follow, just like the ipod. oh and let me know how that demand goes with panther, im sure they will be happy to meet your demands :rolleyes:.

iJon
 
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Kid Red

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Wow, I'm a little surprised and disappointed that it's going to cost $30. So is Apple setting a standard here-that all new iApps will cost?
 
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AhmedFaisal

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Originally posted by sandsl
Apple doesn't need to get permission or "work with" Microsoft to get a MSN compatible video conferencing client working - there is already an open source, although not brilliant, program that lets Mac users video conference with PC users who use NetMeeting.

Do you have an URL for that? What's the prog called?
Cheers,

Ahmed
 
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iJon

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Originally posted by Kid Red
Wow, I'm a little surprised and disappointed that it's going to cost $30. So is Apple setting a standard here-that all new iApps will cost?
its called marketing, people will instead buy panther most likely. for as powerful as ichat av and how much fun it is with an isight i would gladly pay 30 for it. i dont think apple is setting a standard for charging. they have given us imovie, iphoto, idvd, itunes, ical, isync, ichat which i glady use all day. and they give it to us free on top of a kick ass OS. now they are giving us ichat av free with a another kick ass OS or for a small fee of 30 dollars. if you use this to talk to people over the country or world it will pay for itself not having to use long distance. its truly a remarkable program and is incredible what apple is doing, i thik 30 is more than fair.

iJon
 
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Potus

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I've not been successful w/ iChat. In fact IM has been gone from my life since I left AOL completely two years ago (oh happy day!). Would like to be able to use it but somehow doesn't seem worth the effort. Willing to work with it if y'all think it's worthwhile...
 
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killmoms

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I like some things about iChat, but it's going to be hard to leave Trillian behind when I get my PowerBook. I haven't yet found a messenger client that I've been more happy with.

Mostly, I wish iChat could do raw text logging, not prettied up HTML proprietary format stuff. I have 15 or so MB in AIM chat logs from Trillian over the last year and a half and don't want to lose them.

Profiles would be nice too.

--Matt
 
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