If I sell my Touch without deleting, can the buyer keep the songs?

Discussion in 'iPod' started by joefinan, Mar 8, 2008.

  1. joefinan macrumors 6502a

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    I've sold my iPod Touch on eBay and the buyer is now insisting that I send it WITH all my songs, videos, TV shows etc. I'm not happy about this (it's copyright theft at) but, as with all eBay stuff, the buyer really has me over a barrel (and I'm using a friend's eBay account and don't want him to get bad feedback).

    But, if I send it with all the content, won't it just delete when he tries to sync it anyway? And will he be able to sync it without me first deauthorising it from my computer?
     
  2. bartelby macrumors Core

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    It'll erase the songs when the buyer tries to sync to their own iTunes Library.
     
  3. joefinan thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    That's what I thought - that's why I'm not sure why he's so desperate to keep the content.

    Will he be able to get any personal info off it (my iTunes store account details for example?)
     
  4. bartelby macrumors Core

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    I'm not sure. Just restore it as it breaks copyright laws to sell it with content you don't own the copyright on.
     
  5. joefinan thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Oh crap. I've just done that and it's deleted the software upgrade! Surely that can't be right?? Do I have to pay my £12.99 AGAIN?!?
     
  6. bartelby macrumors Core

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    Oh sh*t!
    You'll have to contact Apple. They usually give you a second chance.
    That's a dumb system Apple have there.

    There's a brief discussion here

    And you may want to try here
     
  7. cbrain macrumors 65816

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    If the file is still in ~/Library/iTunes/Mobile Applications

    It may be restored if you sync it again.
     
  8. gnasher729 macrumors P6

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    There are ways to get around the deletion. Obviously the buyer does _not_ have you "over a barrel", because he is trying to make you commit copyright infringement. If you got caught, you could be forced to pay _at least_ $750 _per song_ in damages. There is no way whatsoever that you can do business with him. Someone like that is likely to take your iPod Touch, download all the music, and then claim he never received it and ask for his money back from you.
     
  9. J@ffa macrumors 6502a

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    Report the buyer to eBay. Don't let him have it, even if he backs down and buys it without the music. Is he requesting this through email, or eBay's messaging system? If it's the latter, tell eBay and maybe they can prevent him giving your friend bad feedback.
     
  10. hookedonitunes macrumors newbie

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    Isn't it in the iTMS terms of service that if you want to transfer a right to a song over to someone, you must transfer the rights of all the songs you've purchased; i.e. transfer your whole account to them?
     
  11. bluedoggiant macrumors 68030

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    True, but wrong. RealPlayer has a feature to edit all the songs on his ipod, ive done it on mine, ipods sync with RealPlayer too, so he can get into RealPlayer®, get all the songs, and put it into his iTunes library, it works, i used RealPlayer and messed around with it, and its possible.
     
  12. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    I think you're being a little paranoid, he probably just wants some free music with his MP3 player.

    I'm not sure that is true, there are ways and means to get the music off. Though I don't know how off the top of my head.
     
  13. McGiord, Mar 8, 2008
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    What would happen if the seller increases the price of the Touch to add the price of the songs, of course the seller wouldn't continue using the continue using those songs, is this a legal problem also?

    How the seller knows about the Touch content? Was that advertised?
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  14. juanster macrumors 68020

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    yes many very easy ways to do so, but anyways i also think he is just trying to get some free/stolen musiv with the purchase
     
  15. ClassicBean macrumors 6502a

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    This isn't necessarily the case. If the iPod touch is set to manually manage the music, you can easily hook it up to another computer and grab the music off of there. Tunes transfered from another iTunes library will remain on the device.
     
  16. bartelby macrumors Core

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    :rolleyes:
    The OP asked about syncing. I merely answered that question. I'm sorry I didn't cover every single different way different way to transfer music from the computer to iPod and back...

    I'll try harder next time...
     
  17. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    Sorry for being a smart-ass :eek:.
     
  18. MRU macrumors demi-god

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    Demi Tiff! Handbags at dawn :D
     
  19. bartelby macrumors Core

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    Damn right!
    Next week!
    :D
     
  20. joefinan thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Wow. Thanks for all the replies! Here's an update for all the interested parties:

    I really didn't feel like entering into an argument on eBay simply because I was using my boyfriend's account and I didn't want any risk of him getting bad feedback on his 100% positive account. The buyer gave me an ultimatum - send it to him with songs or refund his money (where I would have lost out with eBay and PayPal fees etc.).

    It turns out this may be to my advantage... I listed it with the Software Upgrade and have only now discovered that the upgrade only works with the iTunes account from which the upgrade was purchased. So I expained to him that, if I don't deauthorise it (and erase it) I'm not sure how the iPod will work - knowing that he will lose the upgrade.

    Secondly, I re-sync'd it and filled it with a load of crap (all the songs I don't listen to, podcasts in Spanish, films like The Bride Of Chucky and TV series like Teletubbies) so I'm happy he's not getting an iPod filled with cool stuff.

    So when he syncs it to his computer and loses the software upgrade, I'll tell him that I warned him.

    And regarding the 'warn eBay' suggestion, I had a £600 TV 'legitimately' stolen thanks to eBay and PayPal - they simply don't care about their customers so I decided to not bother going down the route of reporting the buyer.
     

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