If my iPhone 6 couldn’t have 3D Touch then why does it now have 3D Touch?

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  1. trouble747 macrumors 6502

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    Uh no, that's not true. I can long press on a notification or photo all day, it's only going to open if I press hard on it.
     
  2. Act3 macrumors 68000

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    cause apple hasn't programmed it to open with a long press, they've showed it can be done with iOS 11
     
  3. hlfway2anywhere macrumors 65816

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    This is patently false. Please stop.
     
  4. trouble747 macrumors 6502

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    That doesn't mean "pressure sensitive and long press are the same thing," because they clearly are not (and indeed, in some apps they offer two separate functions).
     
  5. Act3 macrumors 68000

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    i was replying to your post about how you can long press all day long on a photo and it won't open. Not that pressure sensitive and long press are same thing, as they clearly are not. Many 3D touch functions could be performed using a long press if Apple decided to program iOS for it.
     
  6. trouble747 macrumors 6502

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    And I was replying to a post claiming they were the same thing. :D
     
  7. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    They can't do it for the Mail icon, for example, unless they rethink and redo how they put apps into "wiggle" mode (to re-arrange or delete them). Some things that 3D Touch offers can be simulated through long press, others can't because long press is already used for something else, and others still can't because something like long press won't be able to simulate different levels of pressure (for peek and pop, for example) or where long press wouldn't really be used (like for the 3D Touch multitasking shortcut, or the 3D Touch keyboard cursor control, etc.).
     
  8. boltjames thread starter macrumors 601

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    I understand, but we are splitting hairs here when the primary functionality is a long press on an icon that delivers quick shortcuts to buried features, no app launch required.

    We are arguing now over semantics. There is fresh squeezed orange juice and there is orange juice from a bottle. In the end they both put orange juice in your glass.
     
  9. trouble747 macrumors 6502

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    It's not a matter of semantics. 3D touch uses a technology that's not present in your phone. I believe what you're saying is that you think Apple should program iOS to offer an alternative to 3D touch inputs (like a long hold) for older phones. Not all functions would be reproducible, however (what, hold touch for brief photo preview and then continuing to hold longer makes the image pop in to permanent full screen?).

    Sure, it would work for some 3D touch functions...but the technology being utilized is actually pressure based, it's not some sort of trick.
     
  10. macfacts macrumors 68030

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    Create a new method; such as long press an empty space for a menu, where one menu item lets you enter icon edit mode.

    For cursor movement, they can copy Google and just swipe on the spacebar.
     
  11. aevan macrumors 68020

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    3D Touch is not meant to replace touch gestures but to enhance them by adding a second level of interaction. Sure, you can tap & hold for a contextual menu, but with 3D Touch, you can have an additional thing on top - like on the home screen of an iPhone: holding an icon for a while enters the wiggle mode while 3D touching opens a menu. Or the keyboard - long press opens a menu with additional characters while 3D touch enters the cursor mode.

    Sure, you can solve a lot of things with software, but then the same thing could be said about adding a second button on the mouse. If it’s just about the software, you could add a click and hold option instead of right-click and throw out the 2nd button. Right?

    But it’s not about being able to do something that couldn’t be done otherwise - it’s about convenience.

    I’m sorry but this seems like standard Macrumors Apple Bashing for the sake of Apple Bashing. “If I don’t like a feature - it’s a gimmick”.
     
  12. T-Bob macrumors 6502

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    On the control centre 3D Touch gets you to the secondary options a lot quicker. And of course its not the same function, can you 'peek' preview files within and app and still use long touch for select? Only with both, otherwise you will have to choose one. Also the pressure sensitivity allows you to do a small preview or 'pop' out the entire message, this could not be discerned by long touch.
     
  13. Feenician macrumors 601

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    This thread :rolleyes:

    It's simple. Long press can stand in for 3D Touch where it has one depth. Somewhere like the control centre. The advantage 3D Touch has here is just that you don't have to wait for a long press to be recorded. Elsewhere, like 3D Touch on links in Safari, or pressing on a mail in Mail, 3D Touch has multiple depths. A link pressed lightly "peeks" (has a preview) and pressed harder "pops" (opens fully). Done by long pressing alone this interaction would be lengthy and prone to timing issues.

    TL;DR 3D Touch saves time over long press in places long press works but otherwise has functionality that couldn't be comfortably replicated with long press
     
  14. macfacts macrumors 68030

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    You mean like on.macs where you hold control and click? :)
     
  15. aevan macrumors 68020

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    Yeah, I remembered that :) I guess it’s been downhill since then :)
     
  16. Marshall73 macrumors 65816

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    You are seriously trolling hard with this one. A long press existed and worked on phones before the inception of 3D Touch. 3D Touch allowed further actions to take place in addition to or replacing a long press and is faster.

    For example, on the home screen you can long press to enter home screen editing mode where the icons jiggle. On 3D Touch enabled handsets you can use 3D Touch to access app options without launching the app.

    In the new control centre there are no additional features to be used other than show icon options so both a long press and 3D Touch do the same function.

    So, what I am saying is you have no arguement and are just trolling at this point. Kinda like a drunk driver arguing with a policeman, you are clearly wrong but just won’t accept it.
     
  17. Apple blogger macrumors 6502a

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    I don't know how can you be pateient with your replies.. I read all the conversations, and I was ready to start ranting on his stupidity, until I saw this... it made me rethink my decision and helped me stay calm...
     
  18. boltjames thread starter macrumors 601

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    As I now am the proud owner of an iPhone X none of this matters to me anymore.

    That said, I find the long press is preferable to the “push your finger so hard into the screen that it feels like it’s going to come out the other side” approach that seems to be the 3D Touch way. My thumbs ache from it.
     
  19. Paddle1 macrumors 68040

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    FYI, you can adjust pressure sensitivity in Settings.
     
  20. davidcmc, Nov 8, 2017
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    You can set sensitivity to a light press. It's so light that sometimes I miss the "peek" part and go directly to the "pop" part of the apps (Safari, WhatsApp etc.).

    If you still find the light press configuration to be too hard, I think you have more problems than 3D Touch itself.
     
  21. 576316 macrumors 601

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    These older devices don't have 3D Touch in that their screens cannot detect pressure like the iPhone 6s and newer. Apple instead implemented a kind of faux-3D Touch in the form of a long press. It's an illusion of 3D Touch but certainly not the same. The reason the older devices have this feature now, and didn't when the 6s came out? Apple needed to sell new iPhones and that means making some features exclusive, it happens every year.
     
  22. C DM macrumors Westmere

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    Well, long press has bene around in various places for a long long time. It's more that there are some newer places that sometimes get long press options as well, like the redesigned control center in case of iOS 11, for example.
     
  23. aevan macrumors 68020

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    At this point, he's basically just hating on 3D touch just for the sake of hating, so I suggest we all just move away from this thread.
     
  24. orbital~debris macrumors 6502a

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    Haha… classic example of “I was wrong but can’t [graciously] admit it”.

    And finding additional fault to further obfuscate the matter :rolleyes:.
     
  25. Sym0 macrumors 6502

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    halle-******-lujah - and I think a S8 would suit you more.
     

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