If my iPhone 6 couldn’t have 3D Touch then why does it now have 3D Touch?

Discussion in 'iOS 11' started by boltjames, Nov 5, 2017.

  1. cynics macrumors G4

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2012
    #101
    I agree to a certain extent with the OP. I think a better example is the Home.app the iPad. Here is a video I made really quick.



    Notice the slight hesitation and wobble? That is Apple intentionally making a long press look and feel like a 3D touch press. I used the Home app for while before it dawned on me that an iPad doesn't have 3D touch.

    That said, 3D touch/Force Touch/whatever is NOT the same as a long press.

    First and most obviously a 3D touch doesn't need to be "long". Long presses are inherently a slow interaction and usually avoid in GUI where it can be.

    Secondly, 3D touch has layers. Its hard to describe so I'll just go with soft, medium and hard. So medium press a link in safari and you can preview the webpage, push harder and it pops to full screen. You can hold the medium pressure to see the preview and release it to not goto the link. Clearly a long press is incapable of that.

    If you only look at from the surface for things that a long press can do then you aren't familiar with what 3D touch can do.

    Another example, photos. From the album press a photo with medium pressure, you get a preview, swipe up with that pressure and you can copy, share, delete, etc press harder and it pops into full view. This is nice because you can quickly find and share photos without swiping through all of them in full screen or whatever.
     
  2. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2012
    #102
    Do we need another thread arguing about the nature of long press vs 3D Touch?
     
  3. sethlution macrumors regular

    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2011
    #103
    It's simple actually. They can't move all 3D touch functionality to tap and hold (or long tap) gesture on older devices because it would mess up the old existing functionality.
    -3D touch on the home screen app to get the shortcut menu: the tap and hold is already assigned to app editing/arranging mode.
    -3D touch on link to peek/pop: tap and hold link is already assigned to shorcut menu (copy/open link in new tab ...)
    -3D touch on edge for multitasking: if assign to tap and hold you would accidentally trigger it accidentally constantly just by holding the phone in certain

    The example you have given is a place where tap and hold gesture doesn't do anything, hence why they can assign it with no problem. It's easy to think of 3D touch as just a fancy tap and hold, but if you've used it constantly you'll see it's quite different and in most cases design to compliment (not replace) tap-and-hold.
     
  4. boltjames thread starter macrumors 601

    boltjames

    Joined:
    May 2, 2010
    #104
    It's the first one for me, so, yes.
     
  5. macfacts macrumors 68030

    macfacts

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2012
    Location:
    Cybertron
    #105
    You know how Android doesn't have 3d touch but copied some features? And how now iPhone 6 has some more long hold actions now? This is what's trying to be said.
     
  6. Shirasaki macrumors 604

    Shirasaki

    Joined:
    May 16, 2015
    #106
    Can you do this on your iPhone (without jailbreak ofc)?
    9FE53D5F-6E94-408D-AED8-4BB350C95C8F.png
    So many people think hard press is just long press with different name. It is not. Just because applying the pressure takes a bit longer than tapping on the screen does not mean long press is equivalent to force touch.
    --- Post Merged, Nov 10, 2017 ---
    No. It is not a fact. And I bet you already read the explanation coming before my post already.
    Unless it is not.
    That “deliberate” something something. Lol. But I don’t think this one would be 60 pages long at all.
     
  7. ZEEN0j macrumors 65816

    ZEEN0j

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2014
    #107
    And what would a long press do on 3D Touch devices?
     
  8. Shirasaki macrumors 604

    Shirasaki

    Joined:
    May 16, 2015
    #108
    Still do whatever a long press should do. Aka, still long press and call the additional option in control center. Cannot call additional options of apps. Cannot invoke cursor while typing. Nothing much different from 6 Plus. If there is any difference, the vibration while long pressing the control center controls is still there.
     
  9. cynics macrumors G4

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2012
    #109
    I mentioned this but its worth pointing out again. A long press of anything is typically avoided or used for things you wouldn't want to inadvertently happen or do very rarely. This is generally true for most software and OS. In the case of iOS its deleting apps.

    While we could figure out a way to long press a lot of features in iOS it would make the entire OS feel clunky and not well thought out.

    A lot of people dont know this (excuse me if you do) but its used for selecting text as well. If you drag your finger across text with a light press moving the cursor around (magnifying glass) and force press into a specific word it will select that word. If you maintain that pressure and drag it will select more text. Before 3D touch selecting multiple words out of text could be very tedious and unreliable. That in combination with moving the cursor from the keyboard has made light years of improvement with typing from the iPhone 6 to the 6S and higher.
     
  10. pika2000 macrumors 68040

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2007
    #110
    Imo Apple introduced 3D Touch on the 6S in order to prepare the tech when they went to solid state home button on the 7. The whole 3D Touch gestures were the side effect (and marketing spin).

    Maybe that's why Apple "disabled" the 3D touch gesture for the app switcher on the early versions of iOS11. Those gestures were not their intention to begin with, especially now the fact that they are removing the home button altogether on the X, but they had to put it back since people thought it's a missing feature.
     
  11. aevan macrumors 68020

    aevan

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2015
    Location:
    Serbia
    #111
    As others have proven, it hasn't. Fact.
     
  12. boltjames thread starter macrumors 601

    boltjames

    Joined:
    May 2, 2010
    #112
    [​IMG]

    If Apple added two more options to every long-press menu on iPhone 6 as shown above, yes.

    3D Touch can be replicated with a long press. Quite simple.
     
  13. C DM macrumors Westmere

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2011
    #113
    Some aspects of 3D Touch, and generally at some cost of usability.
     
  14. Shirasaki macrumors 604

    Shirasaki

    Joined:
    May 16, 2015
    #114
    Alright, this is not a good example. However, pressure sensed screen cannot be mimicked by software through dimension of time. Force touch is based on that. It cannot be replicated by long press. Simple.
     
  15. boltjames thread starter macrumors 601

    boltjames

    Joined:
    May 2, 2010
    #115
    My point is at the level right above that. My point isn't that pressure sensitive screens can magically appear on non-equipped devices. My point is that pressure sensitive screens aren't necessary at all.

    I've been off my iPhone 6 and onto my iPhone X for 5 days now and I fully understand the capabilities of 3D Touch as relates to the OS and there is nothing, nothing, that 3D Touch does that cannot be replicated almost entirely by the options of "move app" and "close app" added to the flyout menu's. Because, after all, the pressure function is only needed to add that "third" layer, right?

    Layer 1: Tap (opens an app)
    Layer 2: Long Press (moves or deletes an app)
    Layer 3: Pressure Long Press (exposes a menu with shortcuts)

    You are too caught up in how the screen works and you're not paying enough attention to what it brings to the user. 3D Touch isn't a "technology". It's the way that Apple chose to get to that third layer of customer engagement. Using the flyout, like in my example above, eliminates the need for the Pressure Long Press and thus 3D Touch. I can create a flyout menu for any long press scenario you can throw at me as long as "move app" and "close app" are on there. Those are the only functions that stood in its way to begin with. Apple merely chose not to do it.
     
  16. Shirasaki macrumors 604

    Shirasaki

    Joined:
    May 16, 2015
    #116
    Yes, it is not a technology. It is just a pathetic desperate marketing term trying to convince people how high tech it is. However, pressure sensitive screen is. It adds that extra layer to open a lot more opportunities to interact with the screen.
    Yes. That third layer is the whole purpose of this pressure function.

    —————————————————
    Above all, you are tunnel visioning is the summary. The entire reply focuses on that very little force touch feature that even I don’t use very often despite I have it. But that reply forgets everything else that the third layer can add while a long time press cannot, or very difficult to achieve, or achieved in a tedious way, less intuitive.

    Btw, based on your analogy, mouse is not needed as it only adds one more “layer” to control the computer. But now, every computer needs a mouse to function except some very specific scenarios. Same for force touch.
     
  17. Marshall73 macrumors 65816

    Marshall73

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2015
    #117
    Well. They didn’t and don’t, because that’s just bad user experience. And all phones have 3D Touch now anyway so it ain’t gonna happen. Move along.
     
  18. ZEEN0j macrumors 65816

    ZEEN0j

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2014
    #118
    Let’s say they add the 3D Touch menu to non 3D devices, accessible with a hold input. And they move deleting and moving apps to that menu.

    Doing this they have now basically removed long hold from 3D Touch devices in the homescreen. Which sets it up to do something else. So Apple decides to do something else with long hold with 3D Touch devices. So now we are back to square one. Should they now add that to the 3D Touch menu as well and how long do you want that list to become?
     
  19. Lappen71 macrumors 6502

    Lappen71

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2012
    #119
    No your iPhone 6 can't have 3D Touch because it doesn't have the hardware for it.
    Just plain stupid thread.
     
  20. orbital~debris macrumors 6502a

    orbital~debris

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2004
    Location:
    England, UK, Europe
    #120
    3D Touch isn’t limited to the aspect you’re getting your knickers in a twist over (‘flyout’ menus), though…

    The Apple developer page about the technology (that I pointed out & linked to in a previous response) shows that another aspect of 3D Touch is pressure sensitivity applied to creative apps, where line thickness/weight information can be translated from how hard the user presses on the display.
     
  21. FriendlyMackle macrumors 6502

    FriendlyMackle

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2011
    Location:
    NYC
    #121
    I use 3D Touch all the time - I love it. You can pull up all kinds of quick actions both inside (like writing/drawing and creating a line of varying thickness based upon pressure) and outside of apps (like on the homescreen). Very useful, and thanks to the Taptic Engine, very tactile. It feels like a little 'pop' (I do have the setting on high...because I like it).

    And to "BJ" who is claiming that a Long Press is the same as 3D Touch...No. Just no. Read a spec sheet. When, or if, you do ever get a new iPhone, you'll be able to see how they differ. I guess on paper, and not having used the functionality, it may seem the same. But it really doesn't feel that way in real life. Also, you can set 3D Touch to activate using a setting of "light, medium, or firm" pressure. So you don't need to long press anything; a QUICK "push" against the screen can bring up the contextual menu offerings.
     
  22. Radon87000 macrumors 604

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    #122
    Jailbreaks have shown that iPhone 6 can have almost all the 3dtouch functions through a long press like Apple has done in CC. The reason Apple didn't give iPhone 6 any right click menu option at that time was because that would render the iPhone 6s utterly pointless. The iPhone 6s is a spec bumped 6 with 3dt and 2 go of ram.
    --- Post Merged, Nov 15, 2017 ---
    You can disable 3dtouch and have an option for long press even on those devices. 3DT is hard to execute on app icons on a phone like he Plus. Long press is much easier. The only place where 3dt is useful is the keyboard cursor.
     
  23. C DM macrumors Westmere

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2011
    #123
    Isn't that generally what an S model is?
     
  24. Radon87000 macrumors 604

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2013
    #124
    I personally thought 3dt was just a way Apple could avoid the accusation that they copied Android by taking a slightly different view on it. Long press does everything 3dt can and then some.
     
  25. C DM macrumors Westmere

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2011
    #125
    Long press has been around in iOS for a long time before 3D Touch.
     

Share This Page