If Obama is re-elected, you'll be fired, CEO tells workers

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  1. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    How to motivate your employees. :rolleyes:

    You might want to read the full article, because it also contains the text of the e-mail Siegel sent to his employees. It's a hoot -- half condescension, half self back slapping.
     
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    The best part, watch this video. Its a documentary about him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQW9Ks0GZUQ

    :D :D :D
     
  3. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    Socialism doesn't work very well

    Despite David Siegel's eloquent argument in favor of socialism, it really doesn't work very well. But, when you read something like Siegel's letter, you can understand the temptation.
     
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    There are many business that already limit their full time employees in order not to cover benefits. Walmart is probably one of the most notable.
     
  6. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    I learned a long time ago that things like what you linked to are nothing more than an excuse for the businesses. They try to keep as many people part time as possible to not give them benefits like sick leave, vacation, retirement, health care and so on they already give there employees.
    I worked at a grocery store and they were allowed to have 1 full time cashier and 1 full time front end manager. The rest had to be part time. Reason for it was so they would not have to pay benefits.
     
  7. leenak macrumors 68020

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    I was also just thinking of people I've known who have graduated in the past few years from college and apparently part-time jobs are becoming the norm. I know someone who has been out of college for 6 years and they just got their first full time job and another person had been out of college for 4.

    So I'm not sure if places like the quoted article are saying they currently offer benefits (doubtful) or it just means they plan to limit their worker hours even more to continue avoiding benefits (more likely).
     
  8. Andeavor macrumors 6502

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    Is my math wrong or am I missing something? So, companies won't hire full-time to cut costs for benefits, insurance, etc. to make a lot of money and expand the business exponentially, meanwhile the employees are working twice as hard or two jobs to cover those missing benefits...

    It's like a devil's circle.

    Meanwhile, in the real world...
     
  9. CorvusCamenarum macrumors 65816

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    I was just thinking that the CEO of Darden is an Obama supporter.

    look at the monies!

    So he supports the guy who gives us this underdone casserole that is the ACA, then finds ways to get around having to comply with its provisions.

    What.a.class.act.
     
  10. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    No the point was saying Obamacare is the reasoning is nothing more than an excuse for those action. Translation they were going to do it any how. They are just using it as an excuse.
     
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    Misleading article title is misleading

    Fired != Laid off.
     
  12. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    It's not just 'lower end' jobs at grocery stores or Walmart either. Viacom, among other giant corporations, has a habit of hiring freelancers to work in full time staff positions because freelancers don't get staff benefits (I know some people that have been in 'perma-lance' positions for over 5 years). Other companies (big and small) will hire freelance employees but illegally classify them as independent contractors in order to save money on taxes.

    Pensions are a thing of the past, company health plans and other benefits are being reduced (and have been for years), wages have stagnated even though overall corporate profits are up... Blaming ObamaCare is just a convenient excuse to further extended cut backs in employee compensation. After all this people wonder why the middle class is struggling and why more people are having to lean on government aid to make ends meet.
     
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    Yep - like many of the countries in northern Europe, some of which are doing fine.
     
  14. Macky-Mac macrumors 68030

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    awww! that makes it all better! :p
     
  15. MadeTheSwitch macrumors 6502a

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    You REALLY should be going to work for a Republican campaign somewhere. You are so partisan that even a direct problem pointed out becomes an attack on the other side. The spinning you do is really quite remarkable.
     
  16. edk99 macrumors 6502a

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    Spin? I linked an article about a company that employes 185,000 people that is concerned about healthcare costs and is testing alternatives to reduce those costs. To reduce those costs they will reduce hours that hourly people work to under 30. There is no spin there.
     
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    The headline seems to suggest that the boss will fire employees either punitively or for cause, as though he's threatening them with their jobs if they vote for Obama. There's a HUGE difference between that and simply telling the employees that he believes the economic climate under Obama wouldn't allow him to keep everyone.
     
  18. leenak macrumors 68020

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    I think the article itself is a half truth and I found this article that gives a number to those that might be affected:

    "75 percent of Darden's 180,000 employees are already working exclusively part-time and are not eligible for benefits."
    http://gawker.com/5950331/olive-gar...rk-hours-to-avoid-paying-for-health-insurance

    The real truth is how many employees do they expect to reduce hours from full time employees to part time? My guess is none. Currently, the part time limit is set at 35 hours so I'm guessing that those that are working at 35 hours and under will now be moved to 30 hours and under.
     
  19. Macky-Mac, Oct 11, 2012
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    it's a threat any way you want to sugar coat it.

    as the article says;
    so vote how he thinks you should be voting or he's gonna shut down his "never been more profitable" company? :p
     
  20. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Does anybody remember when they first started using the term "laid off"? It means you weren't going to be working for a few weeks because of a business slowdown, but would be called back when things picked up, usually within a few months.

    Now "laid off" = fired.
     
  21. tshrimp macrumors 6502

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    Nice to see someone who is honest with his employees.
     
  22. quagmire macrumors 603

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    So if his personal taxes are raised, he will have to shrink/shut down his company and fire people? Unless his own money helps to keep his business open, raising an individual taxes won't affect the company....

    Actually it can..... He will have to fire his employees in order to raise his own salary to overcome the effect of his taxes going up..... Damn that Obama!!!!!
     
  23. LethalWolfe macrumors G3

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    Fired typically means you, the employee, did something to cause your unwanted termination from the company where as laid off or downsized means you were terminated for no fault of your own. There is a difference, especially if you need to collect unemployment. In some places if you were fired or quit you don't qualify for unemployment.

    I do agree that "laid off" used to have a more temporary meaning than it does now.
     
  24. Thomas Veil thread starter macrumors 68020

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    The more I look at this, the more I think this guy is clueless.

    For example, here's his stereotypical martyr story about how hard he had to work to get to where he was:

    There's no sense that he understands that there are people out there who do not own companies, who work just as hard, if not harder. No sense that he realizes that people work two or three jobs, run households as single parents, and generally work their asses off just to stay one step ahead of the bill collector. No sense that he understands that we don't eat in fancy restaurants, don't take fancy vacations, don't get to drink and party much, but often do drive used cars. All he knows is that all his friends lived lives of luxury while he worked.

    Here's another great part:

    Well, first, the economy is getting a little better, not falling apart.

    Second, anybody who built a mansion that went into foreclosure has no room to call himself someone who has "made all the right decisions".

    Third, I would ask him to name average people who feel entitled to a jet, a gigantic mansion with elevators, and servants. :rolleyes:
     
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    I agree.


    To quote Steve Jobs.
     

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