If this isn't treason, I don't know what is.

citizenzen

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President Trump announced Sunday on Twitter that he and Russian President Vladimir Putin were talking about forming an “impenetrable Cyber Security unit” to prevent election hacking in the future.

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Russia hacked into our election, and now trump wants to partner with them to prevent future hacking? :confused: He'd be handing our security over to the very group interested in circumventing it, and giving them access to whatever they wanted because they would be in on setting up the security apparatus.

That is insanity. Or it's treason. Donald trump is betraying America right in front of our eyes.

It's like the cuckold husband forming a security unit with his wife's lover, who promises to keep her from having any affairs while the husband is away.
 
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There is NO proof released by anybody that Russia 'hacked' into your election. NOBODY from the U.S. Government has inspected the servers alleged to have been breached by Russian state actors because the Democrats refused access to the FBI on multiple occasions.

If you want proof that the fake liberals have well and truly gone off the deep end on Russia, look no further than your post and thread title. There is NOTHING in the tweet or elsewhere that indicates he is "giving them access to whatever they wanted".

One last point: if I wanted critical analysis of events surrounding Russia, the last place I would look is the CIA-lackey Washington Post. Just look at the two stories that surfaced immediately after the good meeting with Russia. It is absolutely clear the so-called Deep State is trying to pull the strings for the benefit of the military-industrial complex, which feeds off of conflict, especially with Russia. After all, without the Russian boogeyman, how will they convince you to buy the guns and soldiers stationed across Eastern Europe?
 

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What a complete jackass and I'm sure all of his stupid supporters will think it's a great idea. Maybe we should team up with Russia to help develop our next generation of military technologies and capabilities.
 

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There is NO proof released by anybody that Russia 'hacked' into your election. NOBODY from the U.S. Government has inspected the servers alleged to have been breached by Russian state actors because the Democrats refused access to the FBI on multiple occasions.

If you want proof that the fake liberals have well and truly gone off the deep end on Russia, look no further than your post and thread title. There is NOTHING in the tweet or elsewhere that indicates he is "giving them access to whatever they wanted".

One last point: if I wanted critical analysis of events surrounding Russia, the last place I would look is the CIA-lackey Washington Post. Just look at the two stories that surfaced immediately after the good meeting with Russia. It is absolutely clear the so-called Deep State is trying to pull the strings for the benefit of the military-industrial complex, which feeds off of conflict, especially with Russia. After all, without the Russian boogeyman, how will they convince you to buy the guns and soldiers stationed across Eastern Europe?
Russia did invade Ukraine.
 

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There is NO proof released by anybody that Russia 'hacked' into your election. NOBODY from the U.S. Government has inspected the servers alleged to have been breached by Russian state actors because the Democrats refused access to the FBI on multiple occasions.

If you want proof that the fake liberals have well and truly gone off the deep end on Russia, look no further than your post and thread title. There is NOTHING in the tweet or elsewhere that indicates he is "giving them access to whatever they wanted".

One last point: if I wanted critical analysis of events surrounding Russia, the last place I would look is the CIA-lackey Washington Post. Just look at the two stories that surfaced immediately after the good meeting with Russia. It is absolutely clear the so-called Deep State is trying to pull the strings for the benefit of the military-industrial complex, which feeds off of conflict, especially with Russia. After all, without the Russian boogeyman, how will they convince you to buy the guns and soldiers stationed across Eastern Europe?
I'm truly happy that the U.K. has universal healthcare.
 

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There is NO proof released by anybody that Russia 'hacked' into your election. ...


The following report (https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf) was released by the Director of National Intelligence in January, and represents the work of the CIA, FBI and NSA ...

Background to “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections”: The Analytic Process and Cyber Incident Attribution
6 January 2017

“Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections” is a declassified version of a highly classified assessment that has been provided to the President and to recipients approved by the President.
  • The Intelligence Community rarely can publicly reveal the full extent of its knowledge or the precise bases for its assessments, as the release of such information would reveal sensitive sources or methods and imperil the ability to collect critical foreign intelligence in the future.
  • Thus, while the conclusions in the report are all reflected in the classified assessment, the declassified report does not and cannot include the full supporting information, including specific intelligence and sources and methods.
Key Judgments
Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations.
We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump. We have high confidence in these judgments.
Moscow’s influence campaign followed a Russian messaging strategy that blends covert intelligence operations—such as cyber activity—with overt efforts by Russian Government agencies, state-funded media, third-party intermediaries, and paid social media users or “trolls.” Russia, like its Soviet predecessor, has a history of conducting covert influence campaigns focused on US presidential elections that have used intelligence officers and agents and press placements to disparage candidates perceived as hostile to the Kremlin
We assess Moscow will apply lessons learned from its Putin-ordered campaign aimed at the US presidential election to future influence efforts worldwide, including against US allies and their election processes.
 

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I think 'treason' is hyperbole, but then again when does somebody's stupidity reach a level that can be called 'criminal'? ;)
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we owe Russia if that is true :D
Don't forget they hacked the GOP as well allegedly.
 

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Russia hacked into our election, and now trump wants to partner with them to prevent future hacking? :confused: He'd be handing our security over to the very group interested in circumventing it, and giving them access to whatever they wanted because they would be in on setting up the security apparatus.

That is insanity. Or it's treason. Donald trump is betraying America right in front of our eyes.

It's like the cuckold husband forming a security unit with his wife's lover, who promises to keep her from having any affairs while the husband is away.
I feel like the phrase "Russian hacked into our election" shortchanges the complexity of Russia's influence. (You can see why based on zin's post, which conflates the DNC hack with other larger Russian propaganda efforts and the likely use of Wikileaks as a Russian cut-out operation.)

I also don't see how this is treason per se. If the president orders the CIA and other intelligence agencies to give over source code, breach data, or security protocols, now you've got something.

It's likely that such a "security apparatus" would just be an agreement. And, considering that it's the Trump administration, they'll probably punt and call it a touchdown.

That said, it makes Trump sound hilariously naive.
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Wouldn't it be better to see Russia as an friend and not an enemy
Although there is the risk that putin is playing trump, trump does appear to be as thick as pig ****
Sure, but Russia's the kind of friend who wrecks your car and drinks all the beer. While we don't need another Cold War, but the Russians are clearly acting as antagonists.
 

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Russia hacked into our election, and now trump wants to partner with them to prevent future hacking? :confused: He'd be handing our security over to the very group interested in circumventing it, and giving them access to whatever they wanted because they would be in on setting up the security apparatus.

That is insanity. Or it's treason. Donald trump is betraying America right in front of our eyes.

It's like the cuckold husband forming a security unit with his wife's lover, who promises to keep her from having any affairs while the husband is away.
That's because of your narrow view of hacking as something that deals only with the past elections. Cyberterrorism is NOT about the elections, it's about a much bigger problem. Including hacking of companies, and individuals which is a big problem for both countries (and Europe). It's a good move; it's a cooperation aimed at coordinating some efforts. It's not that any of the two countries gave away authority or anything.
 

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I feel like the phrase "Russian hacked into our election" shortchanges the complexity of Russia's influence. (You can see why based on zin's post, which conflates the DNC hack with other larger Russian propaganda efforts and the likely use of Wikileaks as a Russian cut-out operation.)

I also don't see how this is treason per se. If the president orders the CIA and other intelligence agencies to give over source code, breach data, or security protocols, now you've got something.

It's likely that such a "security apparatus" would just be an agreement. And, considering that it's the Trump administration, they'll probably punt and call it a touchdown.

That said, it makes Trump sound hilariously naive.
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Sure, but Russia's the kind of friend who wrecks your car and drinks all the beer. While we don't need another Cold War, but the Russians are clearly acting as antagonists.
by exposing the DNC's misdeeds? :rolleyes: thanks Putin :D
 
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The following report (https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf) was released by the Director of National Intelligence in January, and represents the work of the CIA, FBI and NSA ...
I've read the report. The "report" is nothing like the one released by Congress regarding the OPM hack by the Chinese. That report is 198 pages long and beefy on technical details (and that incident was an attack on a U.S. Government agency by another state, which incidentally did not result in sanctions on China or Chinese diplomatic compounds being shut down). This is 25 pages of "...consistent with our understanding of Russian behaviour", public comments made by Putin, along with aggregations of the social media interactions of Russia Today. The so-called "report" paints a nice narrative, but it unfortunately lacks that which I termed 'proof'.
 

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I've read the report. The "report" is nothing like the one released by Congress regarding the OPM hack by the Chinese. That report is 198 pages long and beefy on technical details (and that incident was an attack on a U.S. Government agency by another state, which incidentally did not result in sanctions on China or Chinese diplomatic compounds being shut down). This is 25 pages of "...consistent with our understanding of Russian behaviour", public comments made by Putin, along with aggregations of the social media interactions of Russia Today. The so-called "report" paints a nice narrative, but it unfortunately lacks that which I termed 'proof'.
Not only that but the CIA/NSA have hacking tools that make it look like its from another country. Being consistent the way Russia does cyber hacking is not proof and someone could as easily spoof it to make it look like Russia. Fake report...lol.
 
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What a complete jackass and I'm sure all of his stupid supporters will think it's a great idea. Maybe we should team up with Russia to help develop our next generation of military technologies and capabilities.
Watch your language there chief. All you do is insult the other side.
 

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That's because of your narrow view of hacking as something that deals only with the past elections. Cyberterrorism is NOT about the elections, it's about a much bigger problem. Including hacking of companies, and individuals which is a big problem for both countries (and Europe). It's a good move; it's a cooperation aimed at coordinating some efforts. It's not that any of the two countries gave away authority or anything.
Considering that a large number of hacks appear to originate from Russia, I'm not sure that Russia is the best partner for mitigating cyberterrorism. It's akin to asking for North Korea to help with weapons proliferation.

That said, you're right to point out that "It's not that any of the two countries gave away authority or anything." It's just an agreement, and until DHS starts hosting members of the FSB in D.C., it doesn't matter much.

by exposing the DNC's misdeeds? :rolleyes: thanks Putin :D
Careful. The DNC hack and the release was not designed to "expose the DNC's misdeeds." It was designed to make the election appear illegitimate and hurt Clinton, who was likely to press Russia for seizing Crimea. Just because it had the ancillary benefit of showing that the DNC was acting poorly, doesn't meant that it was a positive or beneficial outcome.

Wait until the RNC gets cracked and we see just what kind of candy is in that piñata. I suspect that the DNC's screwing around with Sanders will pale in comparison to structures designed to hurt voter participation. (See Kobach, et. al.)
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Not only that but the CIA/NSA have hacking tools that make it look like its from another country. Being consistent the way Russia does cyber hacking is not proof and someone could as easily spoof it to make it look like Russia. Fake report...lol.
So, we're just throwing out everything the CIA/NSA says now? Okay. So, who do we believe?
 
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Careful. The DNC hack and the release was not designed to "expose the DNC's misdeeds." It was designed to make the election appear illegitimate and hurt Clinton, who was likely to press Russia for seizing Crimea. Just because it had the ancillary benefit of showing that the DNC was acting poorly, doesn't meant that it was a positive or beneficial outcome.
appear? you kidding, it WAS ILLEGITIMATE . SHE CHEATED with the help of the DNC, hell she ****ing hired those who helped her cheat like DWS. you seriously think the crooked one who along with her crooked husband received millions in bribes..............er "donations" to the foundation so the Russian could get some of our Uranium was going to press Russia? please :rolleyes:
 
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Watch your language there chief. All you do is insult the other side.
Ok, intellectually challenged if you prefer and let's not forget that these are people who have contempt for education, they embrace ignorance.
 

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So, we're just throwing out everything the CIA/NSA says now? Okay. So, who do we believe?
Not many. If you can't trust the previous State Dept, Justice Dept, Director of the FBI. As was seen by Comeys testimony with Loretta Lynches involvement with interfering with an investigation many times. As was mentioned, the "Deep State" have people still loyal to the Democrats in the intelligence community. We need to have them removed and replaced.