If we hadn't invaded Iraq...

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  1. stevento macrumors 6502

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    would Obama still be able to make the case for his presidency?
    think about it
    the iraq resolution would've been forgotten about by now.
     
  2. ReanimationLP macrumors 68030

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    Who really knows?

    If we didnt invade, a lot of people would still be alive, including Saddam Hussein.
     
  3. dukebound85 macrumors P6

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    our country wouldnt be in the deficit as it is now which means our dollar would be a lot stronger in the world market which may/could have prevented this recession we are experiencing.....
     
  4. stevento thread starter macrumors 6502

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    if we didnt invade he speech against it would not be an effective campaign tool
     
  5. skunk macrumors G4

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    Curiously enough, a lot of people would still be alive because of Saddam Hussein. Irony, thy name acronym is PNAC.
     
  6. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    Here in Ohio, Obama isn't running against the Iraq war so much as running for health care, jobs...time-proven bread-and-butter issues. So yeah, he'd still be a viable candidate.
     
  7. redfirebird08 macrumors regular

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    If the Iraq War hadn't happened, Bush wouldn't have been re-elected and we would have Kerry in office right now going for a second term. 9/11 and the Iraq War are reasons 1a and 1b for Bush getting re-elected. Had either of them not happened, he was a lame duck one-term president.
     
  8. NAG macrumors 68030

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    Lets go a step further. What if Gore became president? (I'm sidestepping the election bit of this due to controversy.) Digg for it minus the skitt which was pulled for copy right violations.

    Linking the success of a candidate to the incompetence of another is silly. Would Hillary be able to scare people as easily if Bush didn't okay the missile shield and bring us closer to another cold war?
     
  9. PlaceofDis macrumors Core

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    what?

    sorry, can't change the past, and there is no point in arguing about 'ifs this wouldn't have happened' because it did happen. its not a reality and has affect countless numbers of people.

    deal with reality as it is now, and don't distort the past. look to the future and how we can maybe make it better.
     
  10. Blue Velvet Moderator emeritus

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    A conservatively estimated three trillion dollars. That's the cost of this war to America alone according to Joseph Stiglitz, Nobel Prize winning economist.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/28/iraq.afghanistan


    Interesting reading for anyone genuinely curious about where their tax dollars are really being spent.
     
  11. Hankster macrumors 68020

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    If we didn't invade Iraq maybe we could direct the 500 trillion dollars into rebuilding New Orleans and other areas of this country :rolleyes:
     
  12. IJ Reilly macrumors P6

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    Yes, not only the direct costs but the opportunity costs of this misadventure are staggering and not widely appreciated. The only problem I have with this article is that it considers the external and post-war costs of Iraq, but not the other wars to which it is being compared. I'm sure similar costs could be calculated for World War II and Vietnam, and they would also add substantially to the costs of prosecuting those wars.

    Oh, and "Pearl Harbor."
     
  13. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    So you think Obama's too dumb to come up with a different speech?
     
  14. Much Ado macrumors 68000

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    Isn't this the 'what if' game, only dressed up?

    Maybe Kerry would have been elected, in which case Hillary might not be running, stevento.
     
  15. wonga1127 macrumors 6502

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    But how can we spread freedom when we're spending so much money at home? Thats just plain silly. :p
     
  16. stevento thread starter macrumors 6502

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    what i'm saying is the main reason people think he's qualified is that he was right about what turned out to be a huge mistake. if we hadn't invaded he wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
     
  17. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    No, Obama's prescience on Iraq is only one of the factors that give him "a leg to stand on".

    He was voted into state office prior to the Iraq invasion, so obviously the people who know him best thought he had something to offer before he opposed the invasion.
     
  18. Zwhaler macrumors 603

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    Exactly, why do we bomb Iraq if we have to rebuild it? Oh yeah, because the money we pay to rebuild Iraq goes directly into the pockets of the CEOs of the companys that do it... 500,000,000,000,000 is really a lot of money! (yes, there are that many zeros in 500 trillion!)
     
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    I don't know where you get your information from. The cost of the police action in Iraq is clearly over $1 googol. That's even more zeroes than in $500 trillion.
     
  20. J@ffa macrumors 6502a

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    I heard Cheney got Quark to loan him, like, ∑5.803 terraflopazons of latinum. Clinton was like 'Dude, that's kind of bogus, but I approve even though I can has regrets later on'. Obama was more, 'For serious, I opposed latinum before Ron Paul invented the gold standard'. Then Dennis Kucinich said 'For reals, you guyz live on a UFO???'.
     
  21. Queso macrumors G4

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    I'm just going to be annoying pedantic and point out that is actually 500 billion you've written there. What you silly colonials call a billion is actually named a milliard.

    Anyway, as has been pointed out the amount of money you've quoted there is several times larger than the entire world's annual GDP so let's be sensible and divide it by 1000 shall we? :p
     
  22. mactastic macrumors 68040

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    Hmm... so the greedy trial lawyers are only opposed to telecom amnesty because they see it as a gravy train, but the private contractors in Iraq are doing their work soley out of the goodness of their hearts, and not at all because they see Iraq as the gravy train that keeps on giving?
     
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    That love/hate relationship ya'll have with the french is truly fascinating!
     
  24. Thomas Veil macrumors 68020

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    :p
     
  25. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    Or maybe we just wouldn't have printed that extra $500 trillion, and the US dollar might still be worth a bit more.
     

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