Ignorance of gamers who don't use iPad

Discussion in 'Apple, Inc and Tech Industry' started by fancypants1119, Feb 15, 2012.

  1. fancypants1119 macrumors newbie

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    Hi, I just joined tonight. Basically, I needed a place to rant about an ignorant person on a video game site I haunt. This is long, I know, but if you want to keep yourself entertained/occupied for a while, hear me out... We were discussing video game handhelds and the future of them (now that there are iPads). I said I believe the iPad was the most revolutionary video game handheld since the Gameboy because of it's large screen. Additionally, there are tens of thousands of games for it (more so than any platform in history), plus Onlive and a dozen or so emulators (which amounts to 6,000 or so retro games). Well, long story short, the poster tries to shoot me down with, "Most of the games are shallow (really, most of the tens of thousands of them? :rolleyes:), the controls are bad (I admit, touchscreen is not ideal for retro games and retro-like games, but that has been resolved with the iCade and iControlpad), and hardcore gamers don't consider it a gaming device "just cause." I really didn't want to take that sitting down, so I whipped up a reply and was tempted to post it. However, because things are pretty peaceful on the forum, and I don't want to stir things up (this is the internet, after all), I just thought it would be best to post my reply somewhere else, so I at least get the satisfaction of knowing it's "out there." Feel free to read it, comment, whatever. Hopefully, in the company of like-minded people, the facts will be taken for face value.

    The discussion starts here, in post three:
    http://www.neogeoforlife.com/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=11&thread_id=3804&pid=55583#post_55576

    Here is my reply, which I didn't post:
    OK, to avoid appearing long-winded in my previous post, I left out the control issue. Yes, initially, the controls can be awkward and downright frustrating to use to gamers who grew up using physical controls. I personally try to avoid using touchscreen controls on the iPad, and I won't do touchscreen controls on a phone. However, this issue has already been solved with the recent introduction of the iCade by Ion (a tabletop cab with joystick and buttons) and iControlpad (a retro-looking pad). With a jailbroken iPad, these controllers can be used on any game with touchscreen controls (non JB iPads have a limited selection of games in terms of compatibility). To avoid appearing long-winded again, the rest of my post below can be summed up as: I believe you (candycab) are wrong, and the iPad appeals to the hardcore gamer if he weren't so stubborn.

    It is unclear to me whether you skipped over my points or dismissed them, but I will re-hit them in regard to your post. Someone who mainly only plays retro games, and to great lengths, would be considered hardcore to me, whether it be on the original consoles/handhelds, the iPad or whatever console of the day is peddling them on its network... Oh, how disappointed the hardcore retro gamer will be when he realizes he doesn't meet the definition of "hardcore" because he is playing his games on a — gasp — iPad! :rolleyes: I don't understand how several lifetimes of retro games are things to scoff at by the hardcore gamer. No need to explain that one, it just puzzles me that a contemporary hardcore gamer might not consider someone who dedicates lots of their time to retro gaming as not being hardcore, or perhaps not a certain kind of hardcore.

    Overtly complex games/reality simulators (as in contemporary console games) aren't fun, and the complexity/simulations certainly don't make them better by those reasons alone. If hardcore gaming is defined by replaying the same PS3/360/PC game to the point of exhaustion, just to get every achievement/secret/unlockable, then call me non-hardcore. While some fun games were made for hardcore gamers, most fun games aren't made for hardcore gamers. Whether a game is aimed at the hardcore or softcore gamer, I hope we can agree that a game should only be played if it is enjoyable to the person playing. Still, there are people out there who live for that kind of thing (the hardcore game), and there are APPs already available for them. The iPad has ports of popular console games. As also stated, a new APP called Onlive offers the ability to play actual PS3/360/PC games via cloud gaming (using a physical, Online branded controller).

    Shallow? That's a very broad generalization to make considering, (again) there are tens of thousands of games! I won't deny there are some shallow, overtly simple (as well as overtly complex), and downright bad games amongst the mix of tens of thousands, but that is true for consoles and handhelds across the board. You said it as if there are no other consoles or handhelds that experience bad games. It would seem bad games is something to worry about more when one's pool of games is quite limited (PS3 and 360 both have under a thousand, and I'm sure the PSP & 3DS have much less than that). Generally speaking, the aversion to phones and tablets by "hardcore" gamers is by a lack of knowledge or plain bullheadedness. Oh well, their loss, and not my concern really.

    I didn't get the car comparison... The Ferrari is someone who dedicates most of his life to gaming on the PS3/360/PC, while the Yugo is someone who has a well rounded life and incorporates various forms of gaming into it from time to time? Or, was the car comparison strictly a hardware one, was the iPad the Ferrari? :D I do agree, however, traditional handhelds and the iPad are coming from different approaches; the way people perceive and play video games is changing.
     
  2. roadbloc macrumors G3

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  3. Tsuchiya macrumors 68020

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    The iPad (like most smartphones/portables now), is a jack of all trades, but master of none.

    Sure you can play games on the iPad, and occasionally you will be surprised at their depth. However, generally no...it isn't a "proper" gaming device. Like an iPad connected to an Apple TV will never compete with a home console, I wouldn't sell my 3DS or ignore the PS Vita because of the iPhone in my pocket, or the iPad in my bag. It's not the same, touch screen controls are frustrating because they not only fail to match the responsiveness/feel of buttons, a large flat surface can't match the ergonomics of a controller.

    Sure iCade is a cool accessory, and their recent NES style controller is neat...but it still isn't enough to replace anything.

    As for the thousands of games available of iOS devices, a lot of them are throw away time-wasters. Fun sure, but how many gamers would take them over the library of games offered by traditional gaming machines? You can talk about emulation if you want, but now this is a grey area which mainly involves piracy, something I don't advocate and won't consider in this post.

    It frustrates me when "tech" commentators excited over the latest Angry Birds levels are quick to dismiss the efforts of Sony etc. They don't really have a clue :/
     
  4. decafjava macrumors 68000

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    And it frustrates me how the numerous innovative ios games are dismissed and ignored by the sony/nintendo fanboy crowd. I've made numerous posts highlighting some great efforts-but given up on the crowd here. :rolleyes: There's more than Angry Birds out there.
     
  5. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    Can someone bullet point this one for me? It's early.
     
  6. Dr McKay macrumors 68040

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    I will game on my iPad and iPhone as well, but only if I'm stuck somewhere with nothing to do. My true gaming lies on my laptop, or in my armchair infront of my HDTV playing with friends on my Xbox. Name me an iOS game that I could plough hundreds of hours into like Skyrim, or multiplayer like Battlefield 3/ Call of Duty. And then is this game a remade for iPhone Console game like Final Fantasy.

    I dont believe the iPad is a serious gaming contender for consoles, only the handheld market, but even then it's let down by its lack of physical buttons. And purchasing expensive addons like the iCade is not a justification.
     
  7. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604

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    Show me some? Not trying to be a dick, but there's way more games for the xbox, or even the 3DS, than there are for the iPad, that are worth sitting down and playing for hours on end.

    And since jailbreaking is unsupported, what the OP is really saying is that the iPad is hackable into a mediocre gaming machine. I'd much rather have my 360 or even a PC. I'm not a hardcore gamer, but I do enjoy things like COD, Skyrim, and Torchlight. I haven't beaten a single one with all of the achievements, but find me Skyrim on the iPad, then we'll talk.
     
  8. AnimaLeo macrumors 6502

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    Who cares about what other gamers/people think? If you enjoy the games then that's all that matters surely.
     
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  10. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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  11. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    I want a print of that on my wall. I used to say that ... a lot.
    Ah ok then! My response:

    Who gives a ****?
     
  12. decafjava macrumors 68000

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    Look as other psoters have said this is a pointless argument because I will continue to play and enjoy my iphone games, and others won't. That's why I said "search through my posts." Two cool made for the platform - that are quick, clever and yet have some complexity (especially the first) are contre jour and groove coaster.

    I also personally really like Infinity Blade. Skyrim it is not, but it has promise as a franchise-the sequel has more depth and excellent gameplay-they got a well known sci-fi writer Brandond Sanderson to write a short book to create a backstory and fill the gap between the two games and there is talk of expanding the franchise.

    For retro games, Asendancy fills the gap and works brilliantly on touch screens.

    That said I am a PC gamer at heart, and I also want to address the comment above about "jack of all trades master of none". Desktop computers (Mac or PC) can be said to be "jack of all trades" as they can do many things. They may not be specialised gaming machines but can do games and sims as well or better than game consoles. What is holding most touchscreen devices are a couple of things; the fact touchscreens have only really become popular in the last few years so need some time to catch up in terms of developing titles for it, and some games will never translate well to touch screen only. Flight sims spring to mind (and I got a couple of those for the iphone as well as the my PC) though I know some who claimed to play combat flight sims with keyboard only. :eek:
     
  13. MonkeySee.... macrumors 68040

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    Wow you got battered in this thread OP.

    I agree with others at as far as serious gaming is concerned, its obvious that the iPad isn't a match.

    Other than that though I think you're right to fight your corner. the likes of the Nintendo 3DS etc have been struggling for a reason and thats mostly down to the excellent games available on iOS.
     
  14. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    Agreed. There are some excellent games on iOS but it is no match in my opinion for what is available for console game systems.
     
  15. ILikeTurtles macrumors 6502

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    Bravo!
     
  16. Tsuchiya macrumors 68020

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    PC's are a jack of all trades and master of pretty much all of them. An iPad isn't. Touchscreen gaming can most definitely be innovative, and I'm not saying that iOS games aren't worth looking at. But quite simply I can't see why at present, a traditional gamer will overlook something portable from Sony or Nintendo for an iPad for games.
     
  17. Liquorpuki macrumors 68020

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    Exception is not the rule though

    I like Kairosoft games (though they're only good for like 2-3 days) and I thought Plants vs Zombies was one of the best games to come out on any platform but games like these are few and far between. And I've bought hundreds of iOS games since I switched to an iPhone, hoping I could find something up to my standards or watch the market transition into quality gaming. Never happened. From the days of Fieldrunners and Pocket God to now.

    If iOS gave me a reason not to own a 3DS or Vita, I would willingly save the money and put it toward some new music gear. It hasn't.

    Last time I browsed the app store, I found a ton of junk masquerading as Minecraft clones near the top of the game charts (Eclipsecraft, etc). Angry Birds will never leave the top 5, even though Rovio doesn't do anything except reskin it and add levels. Also found a blatant Contra rip that qualifies as IP theft. This among the usual mix of minigames, 10 year old ports, and other junk

    Also found a battery app in the top 25 that claims to double the battery life of your phone, with a ton of fake reviews saying it did. It's surprising a company that cares so much about controlling the user experience will just whitelist any third party junk onto their devices.
     

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