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Discussion in 'Politics, Religion, Social Issues' started by solvs, Nov 25, 2007.
Illegal Immigrant Rescues Boy in Desert
Good god man your making this wetback sound almost human.
The guy probably caused the accident just so he could look good...
Did either one of you actually read the article?
Don't show your ignorance and hatred so openly.
I'd invest in some new batteries for your Irony Meter if I were you. Or take it back to the shop you got it from.
Heh... someone fell through the rabbit hole.
For his troubles, the Mexican man was deported, apparently. Speaking of irony, his name was Jesus.
All British forum members should have a little Union Jack waving next to their avatar so we poor irony-impoverished colonists have something to go on!
I'd invest in replacing your faulty Irony Generator with a Sarcasm Generator, which is closer to what you were trying for.
Think this post should go into the Site and Forum Feedback, it would resolve a lot of problems.
Illegal entry = criminal, but that doesn't make them all bad folks. It's a crying shame that Mexico's socioeconomic system sucks so badly that people have to leave there to make a living.
Says the man living in occupied northern Mexico...
I wouldn't dream of attempting sarcasm.
Jesus, in the desert, despised by the locals... What have we done!
Seriously though, this particular man deserves a green card just for being a great person. He deserves honor and respect.
It is a bit miraculous isn't it?
He's got you there!
"Says the man living in occupied northern Mexico..."
Hmmm. Spain occupied Mexico and what's now the southwestern U.S. Spain got kicked out and the richer Mexicans decided that if you had Spanish blood you were above the mere Indians, so they used local Indians as peons and went to killing off the more northern Indians as had the Spanish, instituting paying for the scalps of Apaches and Comanches.
The Comanche had pushed the Apache out of what's now Texas, as the more eastern tribes were pushed west by the Whiteyes.
Not a lot of attitude change down in Mexico, these last several decades since the vaunted Socialist revolution. Los puros on top, los indios on the bottom.
And not all that many folks ever learned much history about the U.S., apparently. The Texas Revolution had numerous Mexicans as well as Texicans who fought against the tyrant, Santa Anna. He was even revolted against down in Mexico itself. Names like Seguin, Uvalde and Zavala were at places like the Alamo and San Jacinto.
(Legend has it that Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna was descended from a long line of bachelors.)
"Occupied northern Mexico"? BS. Total BS. My great-great uncle Frels helped overthrow a tyrant to create a free country, a republic in its own right. Sorta like George Washington and friends. About the only folks who can honestly say they got the shaft from the Texicans are the descendants of the Comanches and the Coushattas. (The US & Mexico sorta worked together until just recently in keeping the Kickapoos subjugated.)
Overall it's no more than the history of the world, whether Europe, Africa, Asia, South America--and North America. People try to move in and take over, and sometimes they succeed--and sometimes they don't.
While I favor stricter control of the border, I agree this man deserves better than to be sent packing like this.
That was kinda tongue-in-cheek, 'Rat.
BTW, congrats on acquiring a Mac at last. Weren't you a PC holdout until recently?
Got it in one.
Yeah, I'm a fan of a well maintained border, but this guy was shafted.
It's really too bad, because future border crossers will be less willing to help strangers then.
I don't know about you, but I'm keeping my eyes out for horsemen...
Holy illegals Batman!!!
I'm surprised this guys wasn't water tortured and sent to guantamo bay as an enemy combatant - he probably DID cause the accident and probably tried stealing the guns of the hunting party.
Good thing the Border Patrol finally showed up the next day to apprehend the "terrorist" and because of them, this story has a happy ending. If only the border-wall had already been built, none of this ever would have happened.
Seriously though - what a lucky kid to be found by some guy "wandering" the desert trying to cross into the US, and that he was kind and took care of him. It is sad that he was sent back to Mexico, since he's definitely the kind of "American" I would want as my neighbor.
The problem is that American corporations benefit from Mexico's poverty.
And the second problem is that American corporations are in charge of many agencies of the US government (this conflation of powers is ironically communism). Big oil dictates energy policy, and so on.
But what does it have to do with Mexico? NAFTA and farm subsidies. We have free trade with Mexico. We also heavily subsidize our farmers. That means we sell corn to Mexicans cheaper than Mexicans can produce and sell it to themselves. This benefits American corporations. But it also means that there are fewer farming jobs in Mexico. Those Mexicans need work. And so American farming corporations hire illegal immigrants from Mexico to work at substandard wages.
Government officials who take money from corporations don't want to fix the problem. Just in the same way they don't want to end war. People make money off illegal immigration. And people make money off of war.
The core issue to most of the problems I see in the US is corporatism. Corporations control our government. I mean the FDA is just a shill for the pharmaceutical industry. I could go on and on, but you get the idea.
Farming in the southwest has been dependent on Mexican labor since the 1910s. Funny how we treat it like it's something recent.
Anyway, Jesus was properly rewarded for his good deed. Let that be a lesson to him.
Rat - you live near the border, just like I did. The mexican people are more often warm, friendly, honest, and hard working. Many people, who do not know Mexican people, view them as 'barrio thugs'. Those losers had to grow-up here to develop those habits.
If they just returned him across the border and opened the cardoor, he actually made out OK. Better than transported to an Immigration holding facility for a few weeks, to a couple months (until his case came up). Then driven across the border and handed over to the federales. Who knows, maybe someone handed him a business card to help fast-track a legal crossing? I guess I like to be an optimist (until shown otherwise - too frequently I am afraid).
No, swingerofbirch, "The problem is that American corporations benefit from Mexico's poverty." is not correct. Yeah, the corporations benefit, but that's not the problem.
The problem is that the Mexican economic pyramid has a very broad base and concave sides. No middle class to amount to any significant percentage. And no real way for a poor peon to bootstrap himself upward--which, with maltreatment of los indios, contributes to the serious social unrest in Quiapas state. There's probably a good bit of info via Google about "Commandante Marcos".
Almost half the population of the U.S., and only 6% as much GDP...
Mexico certainly has the natural resources, but they're controlled by a very few. What, "oligarchy"? Anyhow, the paranoia that's built into their constitution limits foreign investment; corporations can't go there and have sole-ownership positions as they can here in the U.S. E.g., even though they know of deepwater oil deposits, they don't have the technology to develop it and no foreign corporation such as Chevron can have any ownership position in the field.
Corruption is very widespread: The narcotrafficantes didn't invent corruption and bribery; they're cash cows, buying protection in traditional fashion. "Mordida" originated long before anybody gave a hoot about illegal drugs. Presidential corruption, fortunately, has lessened SFAIK. Past presidents "liberated" as much as a billion dollars per year, through the 1970s and 1980s.
Lots of good people, south of the border. Work ethic and all that. But the system militates against them--which is why they head north.
Trouble is, the numbers will most likely increase. Food prices are rising beyond the purchasing capability of the poor. The government subsidies are endangered by the declining income from sale of oil--and they must limit exports at some point due to internal needs.
Part of our problem in the U.S. is that there is a limit to what we can afford to pay for in the way of public costs. Too many of these folks are uneducated and unhealthy--and our need is for educated people; preferably healthy. But, if we really succeeded in closing the border or truly controlling it, we'd no longer be Mexico's safety valve. Internal pressure would build until another revolution would occur--and we had large numbers of refugees during the last revolution.
I don't mean to pick at this, but I think you'll find that most people are the same, no matter where they come from. I think you'll find the same number of rotten white people as you would find rotten Asians, Mexicans, Africans, etc. Sure the Mexican people are "warm and friendly," but I'd bet that they are just about as friendly as most white people, Asian people, etc.
I've known some very nice Mexican people, and some rather rude ones as well. It's not all black and white.