"I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me"

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  1. xmichaelp, Jun 5, 2015
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    Sounds like baby boomers to me.

    Congrats. Old people watch cable news. Old people are conservative. What an accomplishment by Faux News. Getting senile paranoid old people over 70 to watch your show. If you look at popular internet shows they tend to be liberal, as you would expect with a mostly younger audience.
     
  2. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    The original article was somewhat unconvincing, for the simple reason that the only anecdotal evidence provided was actually regarding a right-wing student. Be that as it may, the "sense" of it does seem to resonate with people in the sense that SLC Flyfishing writes about:

    If anyone remembers the Winning Through Intimidation fad, well, apparently, it actually was ahead of its time. Sigh.
     
  3. FrankieTDouglas thread starter macrumors 65816

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    Oh I agree. While I didn't specify that, I assumed it was clear that I alluded to it. I've changed my views a number of times in the past through discussion and research. From left to right, or vice-versa. It'd be dogmatic to hold to stupid ideas, just because you started with that opinion.

    That's sort of the point. He/she hasn't received a complaint from a "liberal student" because he/she tends to be more delicate with them, as opposed to confronting opinions from the right side. The reason for this is the overwhelming (and I know firsthand, how oppressing) the tone on campuses is now.
     
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    I have seen a bit of what this article describes taking place on this forum.

    Think about it. This thread and it's title get a pass:

    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ted-cruz-is-the-first-clown-out-of-the-car.1858726/

    While this thread gets closed because the title is considered "trolling":

    http://forums.macrumors.com/threads...le-to-have-to-relocate-their-wedding.1833277/

    The difference? The political slant and the letter next to the name(s) the thread title goes after.

    There are numerous other examples if you look for them.

    The main thing is that the population of PRSI leans heavily left, so jabs at the right are fine but jabs at the left get people's hackles up, and cause a reaction.
     
  5. .Andy macrumors 68030

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    Alternatively the forum is international and therefore reflects the political spectrum worldwide. Perhaps on the global stage your views are skewed extremely right?


    ps Am I mistaken or did you post a vanity thread where you quit the PRSI recently?
     
  6. Ledgem macrumors 68000

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    Higher education has stereotypically leaned toward liberal views. For that matter, so has the technology industry (although depending upon the generation and technological "camp" that you spend time with, the views tend to be either liberal or libertarian - both of which are fairly similar when it comes to social issues, but opposed when it comes to government). So the bias that @SLC Flyfishing mentions isn't unwarranted.

    But getting back to the article, your interpretation is interesting and warrants a re-read of it on my part, but that wasn't the way I saw it. He was bemoaning that students' complaints could impact a teacher's career, and noted that he and other teachers were altering their lessons in order to avoid controversy. And yet, as I mentioned before, the only complaint he ever received was from a student who was likely a conservative. He didn't mention anything about having received a complaint from liberal students, nor was there any mention about how he was trying to treat liberal students more delicately than conservative ones. He also clearly wasn't a conservative who was trying to appease liberal students, as the title states, "I'm a liberal professor, and my liberal students terrify me."

    If his story involved a liberal student ragging on him and filing a complaint against him then it might make sense. As it stands, bringing politically-charged terms into it didn't fit with his narrative and seemed unwarranted. He should have just titled it "I'm a professor and my students terrify me," erased the use of the word "liberal" (and possibly "feminists" near the end, as those parts also seemed like they were being crammed in), and submitted the article. It would have been an interesting read all the same, but it would have spared us the oddities of discussing how this is political at all.
     
  7. jnpy!$4g3cwk macrumors 65816

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    In general, you have a point about people in general. People tend to be more strident online than they used to be in print, or, are in person.

    I think the uni-dimensional left-right spectrum is completely inadequate. You need at least two dimensions, and, even two dimensions only works because of the high correlation between religious fundamentalism, authoritarianism, and social conservatism.

    I consider myself very liberal, but, not leftist at all. Who is, or at least was, a leftist? I don't know -- Leon Trotsky, let's say. Or the couple of people I've met over the years who were members of the Socialist Workers Party.
     
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    A whitewash statement. It's all about the political and with stilts on at that. From this is where we learn about trigger language and safe zones.
     
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    Oh, an age-phobic? How intolerant and insensitive. And a handy rejoinder to CNN's and MSNBC's continually flagging viewership.
     
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    It kinda funny but I think of myself as a lefty but not a liberal.
     
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    Care to elaborate? Where do you fit on one of the multi-dimensional political spectra?
     
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    In what way? Are you asking me how I vote or my general political ideology.
     
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    I've explained my position multitudes of times. That you reject my explanation is on you, not me.

    And FYI, I get a great many PM's from some of our more ardently liberal forum members thanking me for bringing an opposing viewpoint to the forums and for being able to present a reasoned argument. People said they respected my opinions, even if they disagreed with them.

    I think the problem may lie with you .Andy.

    I'm not entitled, I see a systematic imbalance in the moderation on this forum, and I'm going to speak out about it. I don't mind being censored for stuff if people on the other end of the spectrum are as well. As it stands, we've got a smorgasbord of "troll bait" thread titles out there right now and they have been allowed to continue.

    We were discussing the topic just fine when my thread was waste landed because the mods thought it was disrespectful and trolling. Those types of threads get started here on a daily basis.

    I'm not special, but I am part of the group that seemingly gets the brunt of the moderator actions. I think it's because of my political leanings, which is stupid on a forum titled "politics, religion, social issues" that's all.
     
  17. Populism macrumors regular

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    I just LOVE your use of "you" and sarcasm.

    AWESOME!!!
     
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    Are you capable of making a well reasoned counterpoint, or is the extent of your wit limited to one-liners that pick at superficial flaws?
     
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    I agree with .Andy, particularly on the same-sex marriage issue. I have first hand experience in that particular regard. I continually pushed you for responses in that thread, multiple times, and you outright ignored those posts. The same can be said about various religious beliefs threads where you presumably declined to answer the difficult question that I asked multiple times.

    Maybe you should report them if you believe they genuinely exist in violation of the forum rules. Or PM a moderator to ask why they aren't being removed. I'm sure they will be happy to explain.

    Have you read your thread? Your thread went off topic after about the sixth page. Heck, even your posts derided your own thread. First your posts were about discussing a scheduling error that Obama's team may have caused with the wedding, then it was about Bush and his golfing habits, along with the amount of time Obama spends golfing, and later you even admit that choosing an unsuitable thread title was simply an "experiment" to gauge forum response.

    I think you are playing victim, similar to what you did in the religious beliefs thread (which you conveniently declined to elaborate on when I quoted your posts there).
     
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    Link please. Given you've explained your issues with gay marriage a "multitudes of times" this should be easy for you to produce.
     
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    The difference with 'Golfer in Chief' is that Obama doesn't actually play a lot of golf,* whereas Ted Cruz - for insulting Biden after his son has just died - is a dick fairly objectively.

    * and I actually think Obama doesn't take enough holiday whereas Bush had a better work-life balance
     
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    [MOD NOTE]
    Stay on topic, as per the rules, we have the contact us if you wish to question the moderation.
     
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    Think of it in one snarky saying "you hurt my feelings are you are racist if you like hot dogs" (Yes I once was called racist because I stated I like mustard on hot dogs)". :confused:
     
  24. rdowns macrumors Penryn

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    Speaking of playing victim...

     
  25. Eraserhead macrumors G4

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    That is ridiculous. And if the OP was complaining about that sort of thing blaming liberals seems fair enough to me.
     

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