hahaha, i always wanted to use that term. Anyways, there i was playing quake 3 the other night, and my 500mhz imac freezes, fps counter goes to 0. I try force quitting for a while, nothing happens, so i'm forced to shut it off cold, first time i did that i think since i installed osX last fall. Start it back up, and uhh... yeah.. didn't work out so well, didn't get passed the screen with the apple logo and the spinning flower type thing. I started up from the Jaguar CD, took quite a while, then i use disk utility. Verify the disk, it tells me the volume "&#" or something needs to be repaired. So i click repair, that takes about 2 seconds, then its done, but it still tells me "&#" needs to be repaired. So i start up from the norton cd (thank you in advance to everyone who tells me norton sucks...), run disk doctor... It finishes checking all the files on my computer in about a second, which is somewhat disconcerting... The thing gets stuck while checking the directories or structures or something, i suppose maybe i should've written that one down. Just out of curiousity, i started up Speed Disk, and unfortunately it didn't list my HD as one of the disks that could be defragmented, not that doing that would help anyways. So i'm just gonna bring the thing into the local mac resaler, with whom we've had so so experience before. This is a 40GB HD that we got installed there about exactly a year ago, after the old one went crazy, apparently cause we never ran any defragmenting software (this was under os9). We had an incident somewhat similar to this one back in the fall, after some video editing, they told us the drive became too fragmented, which is interesting since we were on osX then and everyone seems to say you don't need to defragment under osX. The drive was and is still only about 50% full. When disk doctor was running, before it came up to that big scary error. it did repair some other "major" errors, i didn't take down what they were though, stupid me. Do you guys run something like disk doctor on a regular basis to fix errors that come up? I've been using macjanitor to run those daily weekly and monthly cleaning up tasks. So do you think this is just due to poor maintenance? Or do you think there's something physically wrong with the HD that they gave us last year?