All iPads Images look crisper in the Retina Mini than iPad Air

Discussion in 'iPad' started by ohenriquez, Oct 26, 2013.

  1. ohenriquez macrumors member


    Dec 7, 2005
    Auckland, New Zealand
    Dear members

    I am considering an iPad Air but I have read in few websites that images and text would look more "crisp" in the Mini Retina since it contains more pixels per inch due to the fact that the pixels are crammed in a smaller size of display.(264 vs 324 PPI)
    I wonder if any of you may know that whether that technical difference will be discernible to the human eye and text, websites and images such videos and photos will look better in the Mini Retina?

    I wonder if you have had the experience and compared between tablets of similar screen resolutions (264 vs 324)
  2. SamuraiMinis macrumors member

    Jul 31, 2013
    The retina screen is more then adequate on the full sized iPad. The mini retina will look even crisper if its less then a foot from your face, but with the air you have more screen real-estate with still a great screen. It is up to you :)
  3. rovex macrumors 65816

    Feb 22, 2011
    I put the iPhone and retina ipad at equal distance can barely notice a difference.

    The iPhone and mini having the same ppi, unless I'm mistaken.
  4. KeepCalmPeople macrumors 65816


    Sep 5, 2012
    San Francisco Bay Area, California
    The perceived resolution will all depend on how close you hold the device to your eyes. Generally you hold smaller devices closer to your eyes as the information on the screen is smaller, which offsets the increased pixels-per-inch of the device. So you probably will not notice a difference between the mini and Air in day-to-day use.
  5. ohenriquez thread starter macrumors member


    Dec 7, 2005
    Auckland, New Zealand

    These are the very helpful responses that cannot be found in websites. It makes sense to me
    I am inclined to the air as I am constantly resizing the screen
  6. Icaras macrumors 603


    Mar 18, 2008
    California, United States
    You don't have a single more pixel of screen real-estate on the Air over the mini. Both have identical resolutions.
  7. SamuraiMinis macrumors member

    Jul 31, 2013
    If I'm not mistaken, resolution in this case is the density/PPI. When I said more screen real-estate i was referring to the dimensions. Sure you have the same PPI, but the actual size is bigger on the Air up & down & side to side. Retina mini 7.9 inches diagonally. iPad Air 9.7 inches diagonally.

    Sorry if I confused you about pixels vs actual tapping area of the display!
  8. ZBoater macrumors G3


    Jul 2, 2007
    Sunny Florida
    Ummmmm, I mean, if they are both "retina", it means they both are at the point where they human eye can't tell the difference, correct? Sooooooo, I'm thinking, ummmm, that this is a ppi "mine is bigger (or more dense) than yours" discussion.

    Which is faster than me, a speeding bullet or a race car? Errr, I mean, both, and to the point where the whole discussion is kinda pointless?
  9. springsup macrumors 65816


    Feb 14, 2013

    The iPad Air has the same PPI as all other Retina iPads.

    The iPad Mini Retina has the same PPI as an iPhone/iPod Touch.

    Where PPI = 'crispness'. Look at a current iPad vs. an iPhone, that's what you'll be seeing.
  10. zbarvian macrumors 68010

    Jul 23, 2011
    As others have stated, the Mini will be significantly sharper, but only at a close distance of about a foot or less. At 1.5 feet or more, you probably won't be able to tell the difference between them.
  11. Buckster macrumors newbie

    Sep 22, 2012
    Resolution/PPI is plenty on both

    is there a chance the display on the new Mini has better "other " display properties though - as its an all new screen

    I'm thinking black levels, accuracy etc ? or could it in those respects be "cheaper" than the Air - I guess no-one will know till reviews come out
  12. Eth123 macrumors newbie

    Sep 2, 2013
    This is where I think people get the retina bit wrong.
    Retina was released for iphone 4. It had a ppi where the text was extremely sharp and definitely retina as per Apples definition.

    However it would seem that after the iphone 4 apple used the retina brand simply to mean HD. The full size ipad is definitely not retina as I can see that the text isnt sharp. Yes it is sharper but not sharp enough to remove the blur/pixels that is still obvious with the ipad 3 and 4.

    The situation is the same with the retina macbook pros. The screen is still blurry/pixelated with regards to text and is far from true retina.

    To my eyes a ppi of over around 300 is needed before everything is sharp. The high end smartphones, retina mini, nexus 7 2013, Nexus 10 and Note 10.1 2013 have true retina level screen whilst the air does not.
  13. rui no onna macrumors 603

    rui no onna

    Oct 25, 2013
    Not exactly. Apple justifies the 9.7" iPad and rMBP as retina based on viewing distance. Theoretically, you'll be viewing the iPad or rMBP farther than you would an iPhone so individual pixels are not noticeable despite the lower PPI. Of course, not everyone's eyesight is the same so the threshold for each person is different.

    You likely just have really good eyesight (at least as far as near vision is concerned).
  14. HKPDW macrumors member

    Oct 2, 2011
    "Retina" is a marketing gimmick. Just compare the screen resolution of the iPhone 5 to that of the ipad 4. Anything less than 300 PPI will look pixelated at any distance (unless you're blind).
  15. Southernboyj macrumors 68000


    Mar 8, 2012
    Mobile, AL
    I wouldn't let PPI be your buying factor.

    My Galaxy S4 clocks in at 441 PPI, yet my iPad 3's display still looks amazing sharp to me.
  16. Rogifan macrumors P6


    Nov 14, 2011
    I guess I'm blind then because my 3rd gen iPad looks incredibly sharp to me.
  17. robertpetry macrumors 6502


    Feb 12, 2009
    Indianapolis, IN
    Total BS.

    At a typical viewing distance very few people could see pixels. Very few. Now if you hold the iPad 10 inches from your face some things might be slightly fuzzy to some people. Maybe you are one of them.

    But to say "Anything less than 300 PPI will look pixelated at any distance (unless you're blind)" is ridiculous nonsense.
  18. rui no onna, Oct 27, 2013
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    rui no onna macrumors 603

    rui no onna

    Oct 25, 2013
    So I'm guessing you can see pixelation on a 40+" 1080p HDTV sitting 12' away on the couch?

    Also, Apple's definition of retina is based on 20/20 vision. Some folks have 20/15 or 20/10 so for them, resolution needs to be higher.
  19. TJ61 macrumors 6502a

    Nov 16, 2011
    Even two headlights will look like one when the oncoming car is sufficiently far away. And that's waaay less than 300ppi.

    The term "retina" can be misused/misunderstood and therefore may seem like a marketing gimmick, but the basic concept is pretty straightforward.
  20. HKPDW macrumors member

    Oct 2, 2011
    I pulled up Amazon's home page on an iPad 4 at Best Buy and it looked like I was playing a game of Minecraft. Got worse when I zoomed in...

    On my iphone 5, there's no pixelation at all.

    I encourage the op to check it out before he/she buys.
  21. rui no onna macrumors 603

    rui no onna

    Oct 25, 2013
    It's not the iPad's fault that Amazon uses low resolution images. Also, how did you zoom? Obviously, if you zoom so the image or text completely fills up the iPhone 5's 4" screen and the iPad 3/4's 9.7" screen, the iPad will look more pixelated. However, if you zoom so that the object is the same physical size on both the iPhone and iPad, pixelation would be more or less similar.

    Just tried Amazon's full website on my iPhone and iPad and zoomed images look pixelated on both. No amount of PPI is going to solve the issue there since it's the source image that's the problem. Text is just ever so slightly smoother on the iPhone but unless I stare at the iPad too long, jaggies aren't really that noticeable.
  22. surjavarman macrumors 6502a

    Nov 24, 2007
    I don't believe this statement. I can't even see the difference between my retina mbp and my iphone 5. Yet the mbp has a significant lower ppi.
  23. ZBoater macrumors G3


    Jul 2, 2007
    Sunny Florida
    +1 for another blind guy. To say the iPad 4 is not really retina is crazy. But to each his own. If your superhuman eyes need 300+ ppi to not see pixels! then guess what? There's an iPad for that!
  24. Kauai macrumors 6502a

    Oct 13, 2010
    You're ridiculous dude. :rolleyes:
  25. JobsGang macrumors regular


    Aug 18, 2013

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