In Every Republican, a Racist

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  1. carbonmotion macrumors 6502a

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    Now that I've been working for a firm on Capital Hill for nearly 8 month now, I've noticed the following. This is far from scientific, mind you, but about 8 out of every 10 Republicans I meet in a non confrontational setting has made some sort of overt racist comment towards me...
     
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    Do elaborate.
     
  3. adrianblaine macrumors 65816

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    I'm certainly not a Republican but I'll defend that they shouldn't be generalized like some have done to you.

    I've noticed it to be more of a generational issue. Most people I meet under the age of around 30 are not racist at all. Even people that might fall under the "conservative" blanket. It's hard for change to happen when some people are so set in their ways...

    Of course in the end I am generalizing as well, only about old people. When all is said and done, no one fits any mold we may make for them.
     
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    I'm a conservative independent, although at the national level I'm prone to vote Republican over Democrat. State and local, it's a tossup. And I'm 73.

    I don't recall a time in my life even in a confrontational situation that I've used any racial epithet against any minority of whatever sort. Simplest put, it's rude and impolite.

    But "Ofay", pig latin for "foe", and "honky" do not seem to me to be terms of endearment, and I've heard those more than once...

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  5. adrianblaine macrumors 65816

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    Exactly my point. Our brains have a hard time processing the fact that every single person is very different from any other that we have to group people together in order to make some sense of everything. In the real world there are no absolute stereotypes.
     
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    My view from my own experience is that there is a commonality, though: Most folks just want some package of payday, sundown, some entertainment, some peace and quiet, and feedom from hassle. Anywhere you go, worldwide. So, just nod, smile, be courteous and polite and odds are that life is hassle-free.

    I wandered into a bar in Marseilles, about a half-century back this year, come to think of it. Some guy made a crack along the lines of "sales yanqui cochon" and I came back with a grin and, "Yanqui, Hell, I'm from Texas!"

    "Ah! Texas! Le cowboy! Indians! John Wayne!" and suchlike. They got me drunker'n Cooter Brown, telling lies about cowboys and indians...

    Life's easy, if you let it.

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  7. carbonmotion thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I'm a proud second generation Chinese american and I'm by no means a sensitive person. But, I've probably had more overtly racist remarks through at me at one professional gatherings by Right wing agents --ranging from politicians who appear on CSPAN to policy writers-- than at anytime, anywhere in my entire life.

    I consider myself to be a fiscal Democrat, so I have friends on both sides of the fence here who are awesome people. But the right wingers that I have to deal with at work are insanely unaware of how racist they sound, which makes me wonder, "did you grow up in a cave?"

    This is by no means a scientific poll, but I feel like every other meeting with Republicans involve some racial remark being made. Where as I have not experience that with Democrats. And, usually, I take it with a good dose of humor. Partly because it comes with the job and partly because I'm not easily hurt or offended. But surprised? Yes!

    -- = me thinking to myself

    "Your English is perfect!"
    --Why do you presume that I am an immigrant?

    "So, where did you grow up, Chinatown?"
    --Where did you grow up, little italy?

    "Your people are very good with numbers but not so good with people"
    --Hmm...

    "More black people were like asians, our country would be a better place..."
    --So black people and asians are homogenous groups?

    "Are you from Japan or Korea?"
    --Neither, or can't you tell from my mid west english

    (In response to me stating my beliefs on torture having been influenced by my religious upbringing)
    "I respect your people's religious believes (assuming that I was Buddhist), but this is a christian nation..."
    --I'm a fourth generation presbyterian, WTF?

    "You're luck, your women make great wives."
    --American women make great wives?

    "I imagine your parents probably worked real hard in their laundromats to pay for your college."
    --My dad is a VP of a multi-national corp and my mom is a retired nurse... where do you get laundromat?

    "Where did you learn to speak English so well?"
    --Right back attcha

    "You're a shinning example of what we want all immigrants to be, we should put your face on a poster."

    (apparently unaware of my prescence in the room)
    "We should import some chinks to do the heavy digging, they work like dogs for next to nothing. Oh! Sorry, we didn't mean you!"

    (On Barack Obama)
    "But seriously, can you imagine America run by a black president? I mean, we'd probably turn the whole country in to a bunch of thrill seeking unemployed dilettantes."
     
  8. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Well if they are a politician then you could look at them like I do. They are less than human. they are scum. I do not care what party they are. Almost all politicians are lieing double talking idiots who only give a damn about their personal power. They do not stay in office for the people. They are there because they want the power. Every president is really there because they like the power. Do not think they are really their for the people. While Bush may suck he seems to be a least a little more upfont about it and is pretty clear he does what he wants.
     
  9. Mac OS X Ocelot macrumors 6502a

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    Holy ****, that was all actually said... no. I stop there. That was all actually said?

    I have no political affiliation but I grew up in a liberal area with a conservative family and lived for three years in an extremely conservative area and I've never heard anything of any of that nature by anyone I've ever met with any political affiliation. And I'm white, so you'd think people would feel okay saying **** like that in front of me.
     
  10. carbonmotion thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    No just politicos, but also strategy writers, think tankers, lawyers, lobbyists, investment bankers, people under 30, harvard and yale grads, asians! They all have one thing in common, they're all Republicans.

    I mean, tell me I'm over reacting and these comments are perfectly normal behavior
     
  11. carbonmotion thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    A common theme is to compare blacks with asians to illustrate what changes they should make to their culture.
     
  12. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    are you sure about the part that they are Republicans or is it just the fact that you clearly are not one that you are just pinning it all on them.

    I also might like to add you are reading way way to much into a lot of those comments. Also if you work with them all the time. Take a chance to professionally express you views on how you think it is wrong. As long as it is done calmly most will respect you. More than likely you will get the best results by pretty much by saying that you feel it is wrong but in a way that it not a big deal and very private. Mostly all you need to do is just inform them. The professional ones will shape up and cut down on it.

    As for the part about a black president. I would have to say it would be hard to imagen this country ever being run by one. Not because of the racist side but because it is very unlikely one would ever be voted in. Mostly because we have way to many raciest people who would vote for the other guy. Mix that along with our normal vote set up it would easily throw the vote to the normal white everyday president.
     
  13. carbonmotion thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    anyone else agree with this guy?
     
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    Of course. How could anyone possibly mean anything derogatory by saying any of that? Get over yourself. You lot are always complaining. It's just good ol' boys having fun.

    :rolleyes:

    There's a lot of it about.
     
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    Nope, if we can escape this administration and win our Country back. I think in the future, we will pick the right person for the job.
     
  16. Agathon macrumors 6502a

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    Tell me something I didn't know. Some of the Libertarians aren't racist, but right wing beliefs tend to coalesce around the goal of some sort of inequality and racial inequality is a popular type.

    You know, when the left accuse the right of being fascists, they aren't wrong. It's actually proven by personality tests. There was a thread on this a while back.

    After I found this out, I dropped the politeness and now openly refer to them as authoritarians. I don't see any point in not doing so now.
     
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    Of course your right. Just like every liberal is a closet communist. Its been proven by personality tests. :rolleyes:
     
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    You should come to Australia. Australians are generally more racist. It's not just the politicians. ;)

    You'll hate it here. Apparently, every Australian has a bit of "right-wing" in them.
     
  19. ucfgrad93 macrumors P6

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    Nope. I believe this country will someday have a black president, and a female president.

    Personally, I wish Colin Powell would run. I think that Barak Obama has a good chance to be president someday.
     
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    I wouldn't say all Republicans are racist, but there are a considerable amount of racists who've become conservative. Especially neoconservative. Just as a communist or socialist may tend to vote more Democratic, but that doesn't mean all Dems are either of those, or anywhere close. You seem to have met some of the bad ones.

    We've seen worse from some of them though, like Ann Coulter, and it certainly does seem to be tolerated more, especially in the last few years. Which is disturbing. But also part of the reason they are becoming less popular to want to be associated with.

    Looking at how some of them treat gays though, it's hard not to see similarities.
     
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    No, we could and certainly will eventually have presidents of all races and genders.

    On your original point though, I've been there myself and I'm a white, eastern european. I can't tell you the amount of Pollack jokes I've had to endure or comments about how people can't believe I'm Polish because I'm educated. Those types of comments have almost entirely disappeared now, but they were common 40 years ago.
     
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    carbonmotion, several of the comments you listed are much less racist than they are pure ignorance. The first thing that came to mind, due to your D.C. location, was the deal Sen. Domenici encounterd. A bank withheld some of the interest on a savings account. He asked why. He was told that it was required of those from foreign countries. Folks from New Mexico encounter that sort of ignorance quite regularly.

    Playing to the thead drift about the electability of a black candidate: We know that the popular vote, historically, runs about 52/48 or 51/49 and thereabouts. For Obama, then, if the racist folks in the Democratic Party go to the polls, he's quite probably a goner from losing swing states. It's a "balalnce of power" thing. FWIW, I saw and heard more overt racist comments during my year around the UAW in Detroit than in any part of the south, ever.

    So I dunno. I'm like a lot of old car racers, I guess. Performance-oriented elitist: If, metaphorically, you go to spinning out and eating walls, I'm not interested in you. If you're running out front in life itsownself, you're probably pretty good folks. I don't care if somebody's purple with orange polka dots, if they're good people and competent at what they do.

    carbonmotion, you oughta wander down my way. I guess the worst racism we ever had here was when there was a fire up in Big Bend National Park. We had a bunch of about 40 Apache firefighters come down from New Mexico. A local Gringo, an electronics guy, went along with them to keep the radios working and handle overall communications with the Park staff. They bedded down for the night. He's about half asleep and hears, "Hey! White-eyes! You better sleep light! Apaches are sneaky!" Laughter, followed by snores. That's about as bad as it gets. :D:D:D

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  23. carbonmotion thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I've met basically every brand of neoconservative in D.C.. Women, racial minority, ex-gays. It kind of weirds you out to find a minority in these positions and most of the time they are filled to some degree with self loathing. I remember talking to a ex-gay republican who basically told me all gay people should be locked up or some such!

    Apparently, he's a ex-gay crusader who goes around the country on high school speaking tours and tells people that he's cured. What a role model. Not. And what kind of public high school would pay to have this guy speak?
    That's gotta be the most illegal thing I've heard ever.
     
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    Well yes, I understand that most of it is due to a lack of understanding. But, really, I'd shrug it off much easier if some of those things weren't said by elected officials and people who're well educated. What that tells me is that they know better, but they don't care enough to act better.

    Additionally, for white people to say these things shows a lack of forethought. It's ok to make racial jokes with your colored blokes at the pub, but in a professional atmosphere with people that you don't know... it's sure to offend. Lets take this example.

    "Wow, your english is very good. How long have you been in America?"
    This question is based on the principle that the normative in the United States is White. If you're not white, you're a foreigner. Despite the fact that you speak english like everyone else, you talk about playing high school football, and you don't act like a foreigner . Anyone with any brain would know that the person is probably American. To complement them on their english is condescending and to ask how long they've been in the states, extremely insulting. It's tantamount to saying, wow you don't fit in here because everyone else is white and you're not.

    Also a lot of the arguments are congratulatory in the form of comparing the Asian Community with the Black Community. It's basically supporting the social construct that Asians are the model minority and Blacks & Hispanics should follow them. I've worked for four years with poor Asian communities organizing and I can tell with certainty that the model model minority perception is both racist and mythical and it hurts everyone involved.

    Also the argument that "If I were a colored person, I wouldn't be offended" or "I haven't experience/ witnessed any racism" or "My colored friends say its ok to say these things." doesn't mean its ok or the problem doesn't exist. It means you're unaware of any problems which is very different from there being no problems what so ever. Overt racism isn't racist in the form of KKK or Neo nazis, it's a general ideology that the normative narrative for America is white privilege and the inability to accept minorities as part of that narrative. For example, Jews, who've been so successful and even look like everyone else, are still racialized to be old world stereotypes. The inability for the majority whites to completely accept Jews as part of the american narrative shows that there is something seriously wrong with that narrative that doesn't let it live up to its promise; that of a racially pluralistic America.
     
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    That is more along the lines I meant. While it will happen one day. I just find it hard to believe it will happen in my life time. If you look over our presidents they all have very common very American names and all are white males. While times are change the fact people vote heavily based on feelings lets face the facts right now the people tend to vote for the most american sounding name. Also it because look at how few minority we have in congress is why I made that statement originally.


    Also like I said some of them is you taking the comment the wrong way. Some common slang terms I have a feeling you would take the wrong way in the hot rod world is the term Ricer. It now no longer really meant as the originally slightly racist it used to mean. Now when some one calls some one a ricer or there car a ricer, it is an insult meaning that there car is all show and no go. I heard and read the term used in magazines and across all races refering to both American and non american cars
     

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