In leaked email, Clinton claims Saudi and Qatari governments fund ISIS

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  1. jkcerda macrumors 6502

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/in-leake...d-isis-221758254.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
    we KNOW who the TRUE enemy is but we go after others, this is how stupid Clinton/Bush & Obama have been.
     
  2. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Here's the thing. My faith in Wikileaks has now been diminished since it was found to be tampered with.

    You can believe everything you read. Or be selective. I just don't have the faith I did in these leaked emails anymore.
     
  3. zin macrumors 6502

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    Source.
     
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    Are people still paying attention to Wikileaks? That's cute.
     
  6. zin macrumors 6502

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    You mean this part of the story from that thread?

    Seems you are the one who didn't read it. The article itself is about people misrepresenting an email, not the fact that the email itself has been tampered with. So I'll ask again, source for your claim?
     
  7. samcraig macrumors P6

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    No. I read it. I just misspoke. My point remains though - that since I personally can't see originals - my faith in reprints in the media or online has diminished.

    You can go on believing anything you want.
     
  8. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    the leaks are from the originals ..........
     
  9. samcraig macrumors P6

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    Like I said - for me, the veracity of these leaks has been altered. I'm not saying they've been tampered with or not. But I,personally, do not have full faith in them. You can call that myopic or whatever you want. But you're not going to change my own opinion on that.
     
  10. nfl46, Oct 12, 2016
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    Exactly! At this point, people are early voting and done with this election. Hell, they could cancel the third debate. Most people minds are already made up.
     
  11. Lord Blackadder, Oct 12, 2016
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    Every single president since WWII has pursued policies in the Middle East that have contributed in some way to the rise and persistence of war, Islamic revolution, and terrorism. Nothing Trump has said indicates that he will be able to change this course. Clinton at least demonstrates a grasp of the realities of the region, though I disagree with her overall policy. Trump sounds a lot like Ahmadinejad - a populist saying things a certain minority of voters wish to hear.

    This discussion is pointless because there are broader, cross-party forces at work keeping us embroiled in the Middle East. Even the anti-establishment groups favor warmongering approaches. Clinton represents an unsatisfactory status quo; Trump represents an irresponsible ignorance.
     
  12. zin macrumors 6502

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    Slimey answer. You haven't misspoken. You got caught in a lie.
     
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    easy there, no reason to get personal. we ALL make mistakes.
     
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    17 or so of the hijackers were from S-A, S-A is financing ISIS, at what point do you go after them?
     
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    Saudi Arabia has been a great friend to the United States. Possibly funding the 9/11 terrorists. Funding ISIS. And I leave "possibly" out of the sentence about funding ISIS because she didn't sound like she was making an accusation but rather stating something that is known. And what do we do when our friendemy had been found to once again be screwing us? We have a meeting in the Oval Office and do what we can to protect their secrets. Just imagine if this little revelation came out while Bush was president...the blame-Bushers would blow an artery in excitement.
     
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    That's a lot of land for a parking lot. :oops:
     
  18. subsonix macrumors 68040

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    Exactly, in fact he has promised to destroy ISIS.

    What are you proposing exactly, yet another war in the ME?
     
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    Who is "them"? Saudi Arabia is a nation, not a person or a single party. Any action we take must be balanced against the consequences of weakening yet another Middle Eastern government at a time when chaos is increasingly the new normal. Right now we at least have a government to work with, one that is cooperating with us in many ways.

    Make no mistake - I think Saudi Arabia is a regressive, despotic state and an ally of convenience born out of Cold War politics. But push them too far, and they may run into the arms of Russia or China - or worse, we end up with another Egypt, or worse another Yemen, Syria or Iraq. Saudi Arabia also has a huge amount of brand new military gear we sold them that could fall into the wrong hands if the state were to weaken or fall. And that would help ISIS or other insurgents far more than any form of support they may be getting now.

    This is a diplomatic issue requiring a scalpel, not a sledgehammer. It will not yield rapid and sweeping results, but the stakes are too high to play the cowboy.
     
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    It's worth reading the e-mail in question in its entirety.

    I honestly don't know if Hillary Clinton personally wrote the entire text. But even if she did, it's hardly a damning condemnation of her qualifications to serve as President of the United States. Rather the opposite, in fact.

    Because the reality is, it shows a person intimately familiar with geopolitical factors at work in the Middle East, and the competing interests of Islamists, of various Sunni factions, and the concerns the Turkish Government has about providing Peshmerga fighters with heavy weapons. The strategy outlined emphasizes the need to avoid large-scale US military involvement, instead relying on US intelligence and special forces operators to provide the support needed by local groups to defeat ISIL in both Iraq and Syria.

    In 2014, Donald Trump was still wasting people's time on absurd birther conspiracies, and engaging on a pathetic vendetta against a distiller of single malt Scotch whisky. In 2014 Hillary Clinton seemed to be intensely interested in formulating an effective strategy to confront ISIL.

    Who do YOU think is more qualified to serve as our next Commander-In-Chief.
     
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    Doesn't the U.S. have an agreement with Saudi Arabia to protect its oil fields or something?
     
  22. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    1.so we should NOT destroy ISIS?
    2. seems we invaded the wrong country, a few times.
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    S-A is WORSE than Syria/Iraq/Yemen/Egypt. you guys are funny/weird and not in the best possible way. seems we have waged the wrong war with the wrong country.
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    at this point Trump.
     
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    Yes, but I responded to Trumps supposed course change in contrast to his own statements, on #2 I agree, it seems that way. Now he has refused to give any details, but I suppose it does not involve sending angry letters.
     
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    Trump's strategy for confronting ISIL (one he claims is far superior to our military and intelligence leaders) can be summarized as "Bomb the hell out of them".

    As I recall, you have frequently called Hillary Clinton a "war-monger". I'm curious to know how you believe that "bombing the hell' out of various locations in the Middle East (a strategy inevitably destined to kill far more innocent civilians than ISIL fighters, and further inflame public opinion against the US) is somehow superior to Mrs Clinton's far more nuanced and pragmatic approach.
     
  25. jkcerda thread starter macrumors 6502

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    you spelled "treasonous" wrong.
    palling around with a nation responsible for 9/11 and ISIS is IMHO treason.
     

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